Brexit - Creating a Cuntocracy


#8781

The letter covers give of the six tests - the only one missing is the “exactly the same benefits” one that was fucking stupid.

Basically he’s asking for brino, which has been the Labour position all along. I can’t see the problem with it myself, except of course it will be totally unacceptable to May because of the absurd red lines that she has drawn.

I think that it would actually be her preferred position, but she knows that the Brexicunts in her party would actually explode if she went for this. I think it would get through parliament, but I don’t see how it would get to a vote!


#8782

Basically, he’s asking for Chequers. He knows it. The EU knows it. Theresea May knows it

Days to go, and he’s piss farting around with this shite, the clown

Not to mentio , close as possible allignment to SM = four freedoms = EEA = what’s the point = but he already knows that


#8783

To paraphrase, we will support you if you follow our policy rather than yours. What an amazing concession to make…


#8784

So only 5 tests now.

Tomorrow: 4 tests.


#8785

#8786

From Peston on Facebook:

The TSSA transport staff trade union has commissioned confidential and detailed polling for the Corbyn-supporting Momentum group that shows “Labour will get a lower share of the vote in every seat in the country if it has a pro-Brexit policy than if it has an anti-Brexit position”.

A briefing paper based on the polling has been shared with leading members of the shadow cabinet, including John McDonnell, to increase pressure on Labour’s leader Jeremy Corbyn to come out in favour of a referendum.

The most powerful conclusion of the research is: "there can be no disguising the sense of disappointment and disillusionment with Labour if it fails to oppose Brexit and there is every indication that it will be far more damaging to the party’s electoral fortunes than the Iraq war.

“Labour would especially lose the support of people below the age of 35. which could make this issue comparable to to impact the tuition fees and involvement in coalition had on Lib Dem support”.

The TSSA paper also says that the prospects for a new centrist party, which could massively undermine Labour’s long term prospects, would be significantly enhanced “if Labour does not do more to oppose Brexit”.

The polling shows “17% of Labour’s 2017 vote would be ‘very likely’ to support a new centrist party committed to opposing or overturning Brexit. Another 27% say they would be ‘fairly likely’ to support a new centrist party”.

The paper, marked “strictly confidential” and which is described as “helping Momentum and ourselves prepare in case of a snap general election” has been obtained by me for the Peston show and independently by my colleague Anushka Asthana (in one of those odd coincidences).

It is based on polling carried out by YouGov during mid-December and early January and subjected to an MRP analysis by FocalData for Labour Friends of Hope not Hate on behalf of the TSSA.

The paper says that Labour would lose a snap election - which some would say makes it odd that Corbyn says he prefers an election to a referendum - but that its performance would be much worse if it supports Brexit in an election.

Perhaps the TSSA’s most striking finding is that “if Labour supports implementation of Brexit it would lose a further 45 seats” but would only lose “a further 11 seats” if it opposes leaving the EU.

Of its so-called target seats, Labour would not win any from failing to oppose Brexit, but could win five if it campaigns against Brexit.

The best electoral opportunity for Labour would be provided by a general election in which the Tories campaigned on a so-called soft Brexit, or one where the UK continued to follow EU rules to a great extent, and where Labour opposed Brexit. On that scenario Labour would have 38% of the vote versus 33% for the Tories, and Labour would actually win.

If that analysis is shared by the Tories, it may be a reason why Theresa May appears to be tacking more towards the harder Brexit favoured by the Brexiter purists of the European Research Group in her party.

That analysis is also an explicit challenge to the Unite trade union, led by Len McCluskey, and to Corbyn’s closest aides, Seumas Milne and Karie Murphy, who vehemently oppose a referendum and would prefer to push the Tories towards a softer customs-union based Brexit that Labour MPs could support.

Within the trade union movement, there is growing concern that McCluskey and Unite are being too friendly and constructive with the government, to secure a softer Brexit and a commitment from Theresa May to protect workers rights and therefore build a cross-party alliance in favour of Brexit.

“For many of us it sticks in the craw that Len seems to be prepared to prop up the government that gave us austerity just because he hates the idea of a People’s Vote” said one senior trade unionist.

Corbyn can always be trusted to do the wrong thing.

I’m sure the Corbyn Defence League will be along shortly to deny reality. :rofl:


#8787

So long as we don’t play the Windies I don’t care


#8788

Toblerones


#8789

meh


#8790

There’s enough in Labour’s offer that it could conceivably attract enough moderate Conservative support to get it over the line in the HoC. On the other hand it’d also be likely to split the Conservatives by upsetting the hard core ERG headbangers. I imagine they’d regard both of those outcomes as desirable.

Brexit is going to happen. It needs to be as soft a Brexit as possible.

Anyone who thinks that either Article 50 will be revoked or even that there’ll be a Peoples Vote is deluded imho.


#8791

Only if they accept the massive split in the Labour Party that would ensue as being acceptable.


#8792

Yes, it probably is after Labour’s abject failure to oppose it.


#8793

Be interesting to see how massive that would be.


#8794

Given the current state of massive division in the Party, I would characterise it as ‘worse that the current clusterfuck’.


#8795

To recap: they’re asking (impicitly) to retain the 4 freedoms, (explicityly) SM; CU, say in trade deals, agency involvment and so on … it doesn’t matter if Bercow splatters the bill with a wad of jizz from the speakers chair, it’s fucking CAKE

It’s only intent is to pivot away from the Jez is a Brexiteer and to attempt to jam the moderate Tories, who will also know it’s cake and not on offer.

I will, for once (let the records show) doff my cap and nod to his demand for the PD to be codified into UK law so as to bind the hands of any government; that’s a very decent suggestion (while ignorning that it binds the EU to fuck all) that starts getting us closer to the only three things on offer:

  • Mays Deal (+ diddling with the PD)
  • No Deal
  • Ref2 (the chances of which, I agree, seem to be receeding)

i think it’s fair to say you’d spit your feathers :slight_smile:


#8796

Well that didn’t take long, did it


#8797

#8798

Ian Dunt on Labour’s Norway+


#8799

He is on rad 2 now


#8800

It’s a good analysis, more sympathetic than my take on it but, equally so: it’ll never get past the Tories and they know that.

So I’d still say that it’s a ploy / trap which should - SHOULD - end in them backing ref2, in line with their own policy

Except Starmers intentions are rarely in tune with Milnes