Budget 2024

Just seen it starts next October

Psychological habit reasons I suppose. My BIL vapes zero nic. I vape very low nic levels around 2-3mg. Single use vapes are all 20mg and above. I’m all for banning the single use ones and a moderate tax but it should be on the drug itself. The way they are intending to tax vaping is the equivalent of taxing 0% Heineken at the same rate as whisky.
Personally I will just start making my own. The liquids used are cheap, freely available and only subject to vat. Fcked if I’m paying Ā£22 for something that currently costs me Ā£11(50ml bottle). I imagine most regular vapers will do the same so I can see a lot of shops closing down.

Why are you talking to yourself?

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Agree. Half the point of a cigarette is to have something in your hand with a coffee or a beer.

I’m not denying that nicotine is addictive, God knows I’m aware, but there’s definitely a physical aspect to it.

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Only way of getting a sensible conversation.

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Although there is still a chance you can lose an argument.

I’ve went through a few bottles without realising I forgot to put the nicotine shot in them.

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I like breathing out smoke (Or something that looks like it) as absurd as this is, I take some form of psychological comfort from it, which is as tragic as it is stupid. . . I’ve been zero nic for a while now and I’m mostly cool with it. (Apart from when I’m in the workshop and my room starts getting like the Stonehenge scene from spinal tap)

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If the government want to stop kids vaping they could do a lot worse than point out that people on places like here do it.

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Been mixing my own for a few years, saves cash but gets tedious after a while.

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I fucking hate vaping nearly as much as cigarette smoking.
I don’t want to be enveloped in some obnoxious smelling cloud of shite.

I sort of see the point in weening people off cigarettes but don’t see any point in zereo nicotine vaping which seems to have its own health issues.

If people need a psychological comforter they can always suck their thumbs :smiley:

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Source?

If people have nothing useful to say they can always stfu.

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Putting VAT on school fees is a fucking disgrace. It is heartbreaking. Education is a necessity not a luxury. Children should not be subjected to the stress of worrying about losing their school place. Their figures don’t add up at all. They won’t raise the figures they claim. The state sector is massively helped by fee paying provision. The state sector could not cope with a small number of additional pupils, let alone tens of thousands. It is nothing more than a sop to their comrades and a headline grab.

There are 3 8yr old children in Harben’s class (16 childfen) who were terrorised in state schools. They hated school. Immediately, on starting at Harben’s school, they love it and are happy. There are also numerous SEND children, whose parents, again, have little choice but to use a fee paying school. Those vulnerable children are numerous across fee paying schools.

My wife is a life long Labour member. Her grandfather was an area NACOB head. She spoiled her vote and says she will never vote Labour again.

It has made me absolutely steadfast in my opposition to Labour and my support of the school.

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ā€œMore people may be using them, but e-cigarettes are not harm-free. A 2016 study published in Environmental Science & Technology identified harmful emissions in the vapour, including possible carcinogens and irritants, though at a much lower level than in conventional cigarettes.ā€

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95% of families do not have that choice.

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Coffee / cake / hifi / golf / frisbee / forums / films / ice cream / potholing / pidgeon racing / go carting / any kind of collecting (Feel free to brainstorm, the list is rather long) . None of these are ā€˜needs’ but many enjoy the associated dopamine / comfort to the point of habit. Perhaps there should be more thumb suckers in the world?

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Private education should not exist - and I say that as someone who went to a private school for a high school. The greatest indicator of whether someone will do well in life is the wealth of their parents, and private schools are a significant driver of that disparity.

Have a look at Norway, which banned private eduction for a very long time (didn’t realise it had changed, thought it was still illegal). It has one of the very best education systems in the world because the wealthy then have to be invested in making the whole system better if they want their own little darlings to go somewhere better. Also, they pay their teachers at a vastly better level, something like the equivalent of Ā£60k over here from memory.

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Same here and has actually stopped me smoking cigarettes after a long hard slog , I thank Lopwell and Chris lebowski for giving me my last harry rag and that was the last time I will ever smoke one, ( I didn’t,took a couple of drags and ditched it that foul taste will last forever fingers crossed )

Anyway back to the topic, confession over

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I mostly agree, although not really on the basis of equal opportunity.

I went to private schools from 2 to 18, single sex private schools from 6 to 18, and it’s a system that does not produce well-balanced individuals.

It took literally decades to iron out the more obvious issues with my behaviour, and when people continue in similar environments (Oxbridge, politics, banking etc.) it produces the likes of Boris Johnson.

1/5, would not public school again.

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Private schools are an answer to the question ā€˜How to perpetuate an elite in society’.

Where there are children with different needs which could come from all social strata and income levels it cannot be fair that only the children from wealthiest families get to benefit.

The answer to my mind is not to siphon off money into private schools and private hands for the few but for everyone to be invested in a system that works for all.

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