General election 8th June

Regardless of Corbyn’s perceived failings which have been rammed down our throats by the mainly right wing media since his election as party leader, he and his colleagues remain untested in government and as such have the capacity to surprise.

By contrast, May and her colleagues have such a woeful track record of bad judgement and abject failure in every important aspect of government that their re-election leaves no room for hope of a successful Brexit.

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PotD :clap:

Replace ‘he’ and ‘his’ with ‘she’ and ‘her’ and ‘socialist’ with ‘capitalist’ and we get:

She has only capitalist and frankly dangerous people left in her cabinet. All the talent is waiting for her to fail.

Except there is no great evidence of talent on either side.

Personally, I regard Brexit as a lost cause. My training tells me we’ll be paying for this choice as a nation for decades. I do not regard the NHS or the education system as a lost cause yet. I believe passionately in free education and healthcare as the most positive form of investment in people that a country can make. We are making decisions here that our kids and grandkids may live to regret. Perhaps forgetting about the tribal politics of the thing (I’ve never voted for Labour or the LibDems in my life) and actually think about what the next 25 years might look like. My eldest will be 40 then. I hope to hell she’ll not be paying for the mess we are creating. I’m for simple stuff, like looking after your population, especially the poorest and the weakest, and creating opportunities for all. I don’t see anybody doing anything credible about any of this…and all the while the national debt is escalating. One bit of good news is that interest rates are so low that the tipping point for dynamic instability of the national debt is quite a long way away.

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They will always be untested as I can promise the electorate will never vote a Corbyn government into power.

So… the argument is still irrelevant.

It’s like debating debating death, or unicorns. One is not nice, the other is just bollocks.

If I ever saw Dianne Abbot and the bloke who is shadow chancellor in charge of this country, I’d adopt a Unicorn and ride it to safety.

Good luck with that, Kondo own them all :wink:

Like Jezza, I know I won’t ever have to worry about making it real.

So I can make it all up.

12 months ago I’d imagine you’d never heard of Macron and wouldn’t have dreamed that a ginger man-child could be president of the USA and yet here you are confidently making promises.

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Was going to post this on the Trump thread but this is just as good a place for it.

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It’s a promise.

Feel free to revisit.

Labour are only trying to mitigate losses. I’m leaving it here. Come back to me next month if I’m wrong and I’ll eat my pants.

A couple of weeks ago I might have agreed with you but I can’t remember seeing a Tory election campaign go south like this before. It really is a train wreck that has a momentum all of its own and they will really struggle to turn it around.

Meantime, Corbyn is growing in confidence. He comes over as an authentic human being unlike May who very much resembles an evasive robot parroting ‘In the Thick of It’ soundbites. Lynton Crosby may well have misjudged the mood of the nation.

I was trying to work out my reaction to May and Corbin tonight. It struck me that both sides would be happy that their candidate didn’t fuck it up. Neither was much use and I’m sad to say that both would be satisfied they didn’t mindfart on national TV. Paxman was shite though. Just woeful.

Paxo does seem to have become a caricature of himself.

Chris Morris should have been asking the questions really.

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I suspect not one of their core voters has changed their mind. And they are legion. The chattering classes (me included) don’t decide elections. If we did the country would still be in Europe.

VB

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In the cold light of day, I fear you may be correct and it might be wishful thinking on my part. I was thinking that after the last election and the Brexit campaign that the country was starting to turn against Crosby’s empty negative campaigning.

Maybe not, but “our kind” and the yoof, who are registering in droves, and in my experience thus far, ALL voting Labour, just might.

Can Jeremy Corbyn be trusted ? If he can then he’s said he won’t form a coalition with the SNP, and without Scotland he would need a biblical swing to beat the Tories. I suspect ‘just might’ won’t be enough. But hey, we’ll see …

VB

That would leave the SNP voting voting down policies that they generally agree with and forcing another General Election, running the risk of the Tories getting more seats off them in Scotland. The SNP will support outside of a formal coalition, lots of backroom deals being done no doubt.

That leaves aside the fact that they would still need Welsh, N Ireland, Lib and Inde MPs support to form a minority Government. Given that they don’t even have the support of their own MPs it will be a cluster fuck of a Government.

Possibly. On the other hand, the chances of a government pursuing daft or ideologically driven policies is inversely proportional to the size of their majorities. In the current climate I would settle for a few years of calm sensible government however it arrives. Even in the case of the Brexit negotiations a weak coalition might be a good thing in the negotiations as the other side might not push too hard for fear of bringing in the knuckle walking wing of the Tory party, although this is not something I would bet on.

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Best hope is that the Tories majority is reduced, possibly to the point of minority govt/coalition to minimise the chances of them fucking over the country.

I can’t see 10 Unionist MPs going through the Labour division, so that’s a twenty vote splinter in the arse of coalition dreams.