....more armchair politics (Part 1)

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Boris will be furious as he won’t be able to do PMQ’s in a fuller HOC on Wednesday. Mind you I suspect Speaker might have said you can’t come in anyway.

Johnson and Sunak are now isolating having climbed down following incredulity at their sudden acceptance on the Gove Testing Plan. Even better, Jenrick has been on TV all morning defending one rule for them and one rule for us.

This is a government in chaos without a moral compass or direction. Their freedom day policy has been criticised by experts all around the world and yet Bumblefuck knows best, he has killed with his covid management and will continue to do so. So much blood on so few hands. Time he/they went.

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I was just wondering:

if there is a sentiment of entitlement under the general public (that is, the electorate) in England, GB, UK, where ever, then why should one be surprised if politicians act most of all in that direction?

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It’s a fair point

Wife thinks Whitty threatened to resign :stuck_out_tongue:

The Thick of It really is redundant these days

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I don’t believe there is a sense of entitlement among the general public but we do suffer from a disproportionately large number of utter cocks who thanks to the gutter press and social media dominate public discourse.

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I wish you’re right and it’s certainly not here on AA.
I’m not referring to the extremes that come into the news either.

I try to understand the mechanisms for the UK as it is, or how it has become what it is today.
The hegemony of western democracies like US/Europe after WWII has lessened over the years. That was the 20th century. The 21st will belong to China. In a globalising and ever more agressive world with China, US and Russia as powerful power players, Europe should be united or it will be struggeling.
It’s not as if there weren’t already any signs for changes in the marketplace. After British Leyland, it’s OK to be proud of JLR, even if it’s Indian owned. BAe Systems and RR are not bad either, but there used to be a time that Farnborough was a UK only exhibition.
In the context of the above, a mechanism like Brexit is hard to understand.
As times change, I think you should prepare for the future and I fail to see the UK political strategy for that, which will serve the people of the UK, instead a small group of entitled and priviliged individuals.

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It is the result of the few convincing the many to vote against their own interests. Fuck knows their true motivations.

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I think the Brexit result doesn’t really help anyone who is trying to ‘understand’ things in the UK, except that it confirms that the place is diverse and quite often self-contradictory. People who voted Leave did so for very many different reasons. A significant number of them believed, and maybe still believe, that the UK can be part of Europe, just not part of the EU. Norway and Switzerland exist, after all.

I agree with Paul that there isn’t a really strong sense of entitlement among the general public. I have never lived in France, but I get the impression that our sense of entitlement is not stronger than theirs, for example.

The Labour Party would tell you that their priority is absolutely the interests of the people of the UK, and absolutely not the interests of a small group of the entitled and privileged.

Haha, where’s me Stewart Lee vid?

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Brexit is just one example, but there are more things like privatising water companies, outsourcing to Serco…

Norway and Switzerland still do have some links to and agreements with the EU, as opposed to an almost no deal Brexit with merely just zero tariffs.

Doesn’t it sound strange that the interest of the UK people should then be linked to the Labour Party only?
And if that were the case, they were in government during just 27 years of the 77 since WWII. :confused:

My point was that we can’t really draw a simple conclusion from complex examples. People here disagree about privatisation and outsourcing too.

We held the referendum before we agreed the (almost no) deal. So people had to vote based on how they believed things would be. I’m not saying they were right.

Well, of course, the Tories also tell the people that they will act in their best interests. Some people feel that lower taxation is in their best interests. Others feel that high-profit big business is in their interest (Mrs VB worked for Vodafone most of her life. I worked for the state. We can afford to live in the south of England, and retire relatively early, because of what she earned, not what I earned.) Some people feel that public-sector enterprises are wasteful, bureaucratic and unresponsive to their customers’ needs/wishes. Once again there is a complex range of views.

I saw one recently saying something like, ok there were 50000 shark attacks yesterday but if we don’t reopen now, then when?

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Funny I was thinking the same thing earlier. So many people appear to swan about ignoring the rules or behaving how they like based purely on their self proclaimed feelings that they are some how special and rules or the basics of rubbing along as a community or society don’t apply to them.

And then you’ve got the ones that think they’re special and act accordingly, and the ones you also feel like this but need to broadcast their specialness across social media (thanks) in an effort to demonstrate just how great and unique they truly are, ‘here’s me eating out at fancy restaurant x with no mask and in close proximity with lots of people I don’t know’ - ‘err no I don’t know how many people are still dying of this virus/ I don’t really care cos my needs etc’.

Self obsessed donkeys led by other moronic self obsessed donkeys with something to gain :roll_eyes:

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Nationalism and entitlement suck each other off. - Precisely what is great about Britain? This lie motivates a ‘special and different’ belief in many (Arguably 52%) Certainly we are a minnow but we are poised to become a satellite of the US…vulgar.

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https://youtu.be/AG2_dvw6pUQ

MJ knew almost 35 years ago :astonished:

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Jonathan Pie says “You can’t accuse 17.5 million people outright of bigotry and stupidity”

He reckons some people voted Leave to give the government a kicking and in the hope that whatever came of it would be better than the nothing they were struggling to live on then. Those people really don’t sound like they regard themselves as entitled, or special. Whereas the only Leave voter among my face-to-face mates is the nicest guy, studious, thoughtful, generous, but disapproved of the democratic distance between him and the people making the decisions in the EU.

Leave voters were not all the same. Really, really, they weren’t. And all it would have taken would have been to change the minds of 2% or so :sob:.

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