....more armchair politics (Part 1)

First country to legalise same sex marriage

legalised prostitution and human euthanasia.

Liberal drugs policy

Does better than the UK in just about every measure going

The Glorious Revolution

Rembrandt, van Gough, Vemeer

Rutger Hauer

Telescope & Microscope

The cassette, CD, DVD and Blu-Ray

Bluetooth

WiFi

The Olympic flame, yup, it’s Dutch

Submarines

The concept of a National Anthem

four wheeled drive

Apart from that, yea, generally done fuck all :slight_smile:

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You forgot the most important thing.

The Dutch basically invented modern football giving us total football and Johan Cruyff.

Not if you’re a hun :grinning:

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Well at least we’ve made it to both extremes of the scale :grin: !

I don’t know about validity, but I’ve said before that all Rudy seems to do is copy and paste articles into this thread, pointing out how badly things are going in the UK.

We know already, it comes across as gloating, and it’s really tedious.

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I don’t think it is gloating. Having seen him talk about this in Zoom calls where you get far more information from body language and tone of voice, it’s definitely not a man gloating. If anything, he’s someone genuinely upset by what is happening to a country he is otherwise extremely fond of.

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More bullshit.

Meanwhile the country that genuinely seems to want to improve the lives of all its citizens is wrongly ridiculed as being full of suicidal piss heads.
Armchair politics , ain’t that the truth :roll_eyes:

A good friend (American) took me on one side before I went to live there for a year. She said (I’m summarising) ‘There’s no faster way to alienate Americans than simply to keep on telling them that their country is acting badly. The ones who agree with you will know it already and won’t appreciate having their faces rubbed in it. The ones who don’t will want you to mind your own business. They’ll all love their country more than they love you.’

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I don’t have a problem with being reminded that the UK is going to pot. It’s all too easy to bury your head in the sand and pootle along oblivious. The truth hurts, doesn’t it?

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Sometimes. And sometimes not (the truth about vaccines doesn’t hurt, nor do the efforts of the NHS staff). The important thing is really to concentrate on getting to the truth and accepting that it can hurt either side. It’s not about letting hatred of a political party, or viewpoint, matter more than everything. That blind hatred can trump (no pun intended) some people’s commitment to the truth. For them, everything has to be used as a stick to beat the opposition. If something happens to have gone well then it needs to be ignored/hidden or, if possible, twisted out of shape to make a weapon. Learning to deal with covid is less important than beating the Tories with covid. Tackling climate change is less important than pinning the blame for climate change on the Tories. Understanding migration pressures and trying to ease them isn’t what matters. What matters is using them to point out how ineffective the Tories are.

We have to resist that. It’s how Cummings got to be where he was. It isn’t a good look.

I agree

The polarisation of opposing viewpoints is squeezing the room for debate. You see it in the papers, on social media and in the House Of Commons.

Objectivity is lost.

Everything is assessed for political points scoring.

“How can we use this to our own advantage?”

rather than

“What should we do for the benefit of the country/planet”?

I don’t see a proactive political system trying to solve problems. I see a grotesque pantomime of self-interest.

I really need a holiday (from the truth)

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Nah, it really is about making it stick on the Tories. With and eighty seat majority there are no compromises from them, none at all. And they are to blame, their utter incompetence on every issue is beyond a joke. Their lies and half truths do need to be exposed for what they are, there is no comfortable half way house in a cosy world where only sensible people make decisions based on facts and data. Politics is like that, as I’m sure you know.

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In politics?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Quite a scary article for anyone with an interest in the care sector

Leveling up and straight into the pockets of tax avoiding investors, nice work of you can afford it.

I seem to remember somewhere that Dubai owned a significant care provider. All of these corporates opened their doors to untested elderly people being discharged from hospital and as a result were able to access additional funding.

Chin, chin…

Results day! Hooray!

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You forgot the Gatso speed camera, thats a Dutch gift to the western world.

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Alright then, apart from the Gatso camera what have the Dutchlanders ever given us?

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