Peter Doig house of music

Not sure it does with 100 people milling about, and about 10 chairs.

I guess in a gallery you’re not there to compare kit, you’re there to experience whatever’s in front of you, and that shift alone sharpens the senses. Gallery spaces are calm, stripped back, the lighting’s deliberate (Unlike a listening bar), all those quiet signals tell the brain to slow down and actually look. No clutter, no pressure, and no bloke in pointy shoes offering you a toilet mint & trying to flog a cable, you end up experiencing the thing properly instead of skimming past it.

Duchamp’s ‘Fountain’ is maybe a good example: We’ve all been pissing in urinals since we could reach them as kids, but put one on a plinth and suddenly you’re noticing the form and ‘wondering’ what the fuck is being said here? It’s like you’d never seen one before.

In addition if you place audio equipment alongside paintings or sculpture it picks up the same associative weight. It stops being “kit” and starts reading as something crafted & intentional (Art). Strip away the comparison mindset of a hi-fi show and perhaps it’s much easier to fall into a more reflective state — more open, more attentive… more reverent. The gear hasn’t changed; the context has, perhaps that’s when some people experience the ‘thing’ as ‘Art’.

I remember going to Devon’s show with @murrayjohnson and being struck by exactly that — the setting lifted everything. I’m not sure crowd size really kill’s off all of the above. Ever been to the Louvre?

Yes, and I would go back.

Not liking Doig is cool, but it misses the point. No hi-fi show or listening bar is getting anything close to the exposure his exhibition is enjoying, and that kind of cultural visibility is exactly what audio has been missing. Put hi-fi in a gallery and it stops looking like a hobby for ageing nerds and starts looking like design, sculpture, something people actually want to be seen with.

Giant horns in a gallery aren’t eccentric; they’re a spectacle, they’re cool. If high-end audio — or the passion behind it wants a future beyond a rapidly dwindling middle-aged echo chamber, it needs an audience with taste, curiosity and money, people who aren’t weighed down by the usual audiofool baggage.

Treating audio as art isn’t pretentious; it’s smart positioning. Context changes everything, the same way a guitar looks like junk in a pawn shop but iconic in a glass case at the V&A. A gallery gives audio a cultural frame it never gets in hotel rooms or listening bars. If the passion and the industry are going to survive, this is the direction: stop talking to the same shrinking crowd and start putting the stuff where culture actually lives.

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I never said I didn’t like Doig, I am glad I went.
Going to an event enables you to have ‘the experience’ and work out how it sits with you.

I am sorry my experience doesn’t live up to your expectations

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My point was simply that the scale and visibility of something like that show does things for audio that no traditional hi-fi setting can. It puts the equipment in a completely different frame.

I’m genuinely glad you went and had your own take on it — the individual experience is always subjective, It’s certainly not designed or optimised for audiophiles. What I was talking about is the wider impact: how this kind of context shifts how audio is seen by people outside the usual circle. .I guess my expectation would be people see it as cool, I would find it hard to fathom otherwise but again it’s subjective.

Possibly pushing hi-fi into yet another pastime that can only be enjoyed by the wealthy.

Serious Hifi for the last 20 or more years has been that becasue the market is so small, the larger the market the more things become available (ecconomies of scale etc) It starts at the top of the pyramid not the middle. (cool comes first)

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I think that probably, most of us here have less of a vested interest in how audio is perceived. We mostly want to sit and listen to it.

I’m not going to the Doig thing, coz reasons, but for what it’s worth, friends of mine who are in the art world were disappointed, both by the art and by the sound of the audio. " It sounded shit." They didn’t get it.

For sure — I don’t think Doig is doing any of this to elevate the audio market. Nothing’s for sale, and the point of the installation is that sound is part of the art, which fits with what he does. I’ve heard some of the music choices have been pretty challenging, and the reasoning behind that is apparently its own strange story, nothing to do with Lawrence or Doig.

I’m probably coming in a bit hot because I’m passionate about audio, especially vintage gear, and it’s how I feed my kids. So when a new door opens — even indirectly — I’m going to notice. Anything that broadens the space we’re working in is welcome as far as I’m concerned.

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I’m going because I have pretty much always enjoyed music and hifi reproduction when its been part of a wider experience than just the sound itself. Also I’ve got the nephew hooked to the idea of big effortless horns and the scale of reproduction possible, so he can’t wait.

One of the things that puts me off the audiophile scene, and still does is an imbalance between the quality of sound and the environment in which its being enjoyed - those ‘my system’ photos with piles of visually disjointed junk littering lounge floors has always triggered my dislike of this. The lack of visual integration just screams obsessive weirdo to me even though I share the obsession.

I’m sad to say I don’t share Matts optimism for how this particular event ties into the health and scale of the wider hifi enthusiast market. The cost of modern hifi is absolutely obscene and very prohibitive, no matter how cool it is dressed up (it really isn’t most people’s idea of cool anyway).

However I look forward to going to share and enjoy the experience.

I’ve been quite surprised by the volume Ojas are moving and the places they are moving it to. Hello Hotels / interior designers etc etc

His is a very clever branding exercise. He has managed to connect to all sorts of influential people. It’s amazing how he has done that. Once you have proved you are ineffably cool, then anything is possible.

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Thing is, in the 60s and 70s audio was cool. It was desirable, it was what people wanted (Probably why the age group from that period persists with sound today?) I do hear people say they don’t care what something looks like, only the sound, but I don’t buy that. People in general want pleasure. They want something that looks good in a room, feels crafted, has a story, holds interest. There are hundreds of turntables that can hit 33⅓ without spraying noise everywhere; what puts one at the top and another at the bottom is often the design, the story, the way it lodges in people’s heads. Yes, the engineering matters, but it’s only part of the picture.

High-end audio is struggling because the market has shrunk. There are a thousand other things people can spend their money on now, far more than in the 60s and 70s (Certainly in terms of entertainment). The old model of “if it measures well, people will come” just doesn’t cut it anymore. If the audience is ageing and the interest is fading, then the only sane move is a shift in public perception. I am greatful to a new audio breed for having a go at that.

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I went today, I liked some of the paintings and enjoyed the music I sat and listened to. Nothing more profound to say than that.

I also went to Blitz: the club that shaped the 80s - Design Museum

and The Photographers’ Gallery off Oxford Street which was excellent