I think that these protestors have much more of an issue with the government than they do with the police
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It seems that whilst a debate may be valid regarding the continuation of the monarchy, abusive anti monarchists are actually setting out their stall poorly = bad visuals.
When I see similar in USA, thinking here of that small Religeous group protesting at the funerals of deceased soldiers, then what I saw was the protest going ahead and those who would obviously be offended, accepting it.
At one of these funerals they interviewed family about the protest. The reply was along the lines of, I might not like it, but Iāll defend their right to protest.
Offence taken is always in the mind of the offended.
I mean, what you quoted above certainly seems to be ludicrously poorly / vaguely written, and seems to give a huge amount of scope to people wanting to shut down free speech. From what I can see there, any homophobe could use it to try and shut down any LGBTQ friendly signage for example.
It isnāt poorly written, itās purposefully vague in order to make the powers wide ranging and to allow the police to apply in pretty much any scenario they choose.
I donāt agree with those laws and thereās ways to protest but a funeral, remembrance or anything to do with the death of someone is not one of them.
I donāt care if itās āokā in the US, people should be permitted to mourn or attend a funeral without being shouted at, harassed or insulted.
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I donāt think itās anything like that straightforward tbh. When you look at the full life of the Queen, thereās some absolutely abominable actions there (or lack of actions in some cases). She was head of state for a country that has caused (and continues to cause) a ludicrous amount of pain and suffering in the world. If you want to venerate that, go nuts, but you really cannot be surprised that for a lot of people, she represents a huge evil.
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Yep, been in law since 1986
I donāt think you can blame the Queen for that. Yes the commonwealth was/is a bad thing born out of Victoriaās attempts to keep colonial rule. It was the commonwealth that opposed apartheid in S Africa but the govt (Thatcher) who blocked/opposed sanctions against them in the 80ās.
The Queen has played a largely neutral role as Commonwealth Head, staying out of its major crises. However, she reportedly feared a Commonwealth split if tougher measures were not taken against apartheid-era South Africa
She was (symbolic) head of state for Govts that caused ludicrous amounts of pain and suffering but if you want to blame her for that go nuts.
The monarchy has changed and is nothing more than a tourist attraction.
Not, I would guess, for most UK nationals though. So anyone who turns up at a mourning event or a funeral intent on protest must know theyāre going to cause a lot of upset.
Itās different in many ways, I accept, but offending mourners at a funeral smells a bit like yelling at a politicianās children on their way to school. The politician might be doing bad things and protest might well be justified, but thereās a time and place for everything and that isnāt it.
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They havenāt changed that much, and they are very careful to preserve their position. And tbh Iām not sure that many tourists actually expect to see the Queen, they come to see the buildings!
The royal family has intervened in laws, often before they are seen by parliament, and had them changed their favour. They are far from benign.
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I am standing in Victoria station.
Hundreds of people milling through carrying bouquets of flowers, presumably on their way to Buckingham Palace.
A team of florists is currently constructing what is basically an emergency bouquet shop on the concourse. M&S doing a roaring trade too.
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This.
Itās the past, we canāt go back, we canāt make it right for those who suffered (which BTW included the overwhelming majority of our own population). We need to park the Colonial Guilt: everyone responsible, and everyone who suffered is very very dead. It would be better for both sides to move-on: portraying modern societies as victims just gives indigenous politicians get-out clauses for their own corruption and viciousness. Exhibit A: Mugabe.
Constantly forgotten. There are terrible evils in this world, but (small-ārā) republicans are desperately tilting at windmills, playing to the shoulder-chip gallery with a queen-sized Dead Catā¦
Gonna need some reasonably recent evidence for this statement.
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Itās the flower stuff I donāt get. There could have been a message from The Firm asking people not to buy flowers but donate to a charity instead
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It grinds my gears. Millions of pounds just left to rot.
Buy something to an equivalent value and donate it to your local food bank.
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Carved this out into itās own thread as itās fuck all to do with obituaries.
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Itās evolved in modern society, and it feels a lot like a statement which puts the spotlight on the flower-bearer, not the deceased - though I guess thatās what all mourning is: the dead are dead, and indifferent to our actions.
I would love to see Penance and Dom there booking everyone for flytipping mind 
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#stench of burning martyr wafts from the screen#
Someone sick and tired of living in a fascist police state, where you can get arrested for holding up a blank piece of fucking paper. Jeez.
The police are just storm troopers these days.
When it happened in Russia did you call the protesters āentitledā? Explain how this is different?
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