According to naval lists Iran still has four attack submarines, so that score may yet be levelled-up.
Iranian missile intercepted in Turkish airspace.
You have to think that was a mistake.
Turkey is a NATO member. Strategically Iran canât afford the possibility of Article 5 being invoked.
The US are complete idiots for following Israel into this. I canât see any good outcome for them.
All the countries that have US bases around Iran must be thinking of booting them out when this ends.
Was listening to lbc earlier banging on about extremism in Iran but failing to mention the extremism in the US.
Always remember Bush saying he heard gods voice telling him to attack Iraq,itâs a great get out clause when things go to shit,donât blame me,blame god.
Remember sutcliffe trying the same defence at trial saying god had told him to kill prostitutes. Didnât really pan out for him though.
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Not sure how well the US will do in Iran â Iranâs been shaping up for this sort of thing for a few decades now. The Gulf isnât exactly new ground either (Lots of mountains in Iran tho). Back in the 80s during the IranâIraq war you had the (W)âTanker Warâ, with the US promenading oil convoys through the Gulf just to keep tankers moving and the markets from having a shit fit.
Once energy infrastructure starts getting hit refineries, terminals, ports etc markets tend to go a litle Tonto. The choke point is still the Strait of Hormuz. A 5th of the worldâs oil goes through there, so even a partial disruption tends to send prices, insurers and traders up the spout.
The really ugly lever isnât oil, itâs water. Many Gulf states rely heavily on desalination for drinking waterâŚSaudi gets about half its supply that way. If desal plants start going bang, things get messy rather quickly. People get funny when the taps stop working in the desert.
Itâs not so much that Saudi or Oman âprop upâ the US economy / markets, but that Gulf supply shocks hammer global prices and markets. The US and the UK has spent decades selling the region some very serious kill kit â Saudiâs been most greedy with deathy machines. If they canât ship oil or drink water they might start feeling quite cross and go banzai using a few of the hell toys weâve been so happy to sell them. All the time. A lot.
The worry is the drag of an alliance that clearly isnt
As with them attacking all their Arab neighbours, Iâve heard it suggested they might be prepared to do anything just to get more people into the fight.
Right now theyâre being crucified by two psychopaths, one with no sense of humanity whatsoever (look what theyâve done to Gaza) and the other with ambitions to be the worldâs top bully and with lots of hardware theyâve no other use for. Perhaps they think if they can get the whole of NATO involved then somehow the ones with a bit of long-term vision will try to restrain the nutter. IMHO theyâre wrong if they do think that, but what do I know ?
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Apparently Cyprus are jumping-up and down because a few drones headed Akrotiriâs way, and despite weeks of warning itâll be another week at least before an air-defence capable destroyer can be deployed by the RN to the regionâŚ
And a âUS tankerâ (for any given value of âflag-of-convenienceâ 
) is apparently ablaze in the GulfâŚ
Jolly japes.
This fucking fuckstick can fuck off.
The Americans canât articulate a reason for war, there is no stated end game, itâs escalating, but sure we should just go wading in.
Warmongering idiot.
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A damning indictment of the state of modern politics - whatever the other guys are doing: criticise it, claim youâd do the opposite, even if itâs supporting an illegal (and very stupid) war.
Not helped - as always - by Labour dismally failing to manage the messaging around this, plus the not-unrelated matter of the media handling Fuhrageâs propaganda for him.
What a fucking World.
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Been watching a few of his interviews over the last few days
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I thought this thread was a pretty astute take on why disengaging on this, as so many other of the mental cuntâs other follies have turned out, will be nigh on impossible.
Complaints have been filed by American military personnel stationed in the region that they have been told by (smiling) officers that Trump has been anointed by god to bring about Armageddon so we can all die and meet Jesus
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Iâve struggled to find anyone who thinks the us and Israel are going to do well in this war.
Donât usually watch galloway but have seen this Scott Ritter talk many times about the Middle East
This post of his was chefâs kiss territory:
The reason? America and Israel have been itching for this war for decades and theyâve realized itâs now or never.
Iran has been âmonths awayâ from building a nuclear weapon for most of my adult life
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Utter madness
It still amazes me that the military donât just walk away when a war like this starts up.
As Frankie said;
War breaks out and nobody turns up.
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The US would be truly bonkers to try a land invasion as both Turkey and Iraq would tell them to fuck off and theyâd get absolutely trounced going in by sea.
The strongest reason I can think of why this was started is so Israel can bomb Iran (and Lebanon) off the map.
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