Armchair politics

[freefallrob]

Sorry to hear that

[Valvebloke]

@htm_1968

That is one reading of it. However, two narratives did get booted out yesterday:

1. May’s narrative that 80% of voters in the last GE voted for parties with a Leave manifesto so the view of the country on Brexit was clear.
2. That there is a silent or hidden remain majority. If there is such a majority, it is sufficiently de-motivated to get out and vote and is therefore irrelevant.

Effectively, there appears to be no common ground or way to unite the 48 and 52. So, we are polarised with all the old narratives, including the reunite/sit on the fence Labour nonsense, rendered senseless.

Perhaps an alternative angle is

1. The voters in the last GE were doing what voters in GEs always do i.e. recognising that in real life governments have to deal with all the issues, not just a single one. So if they’re not themselves obsessed with a single issue then they vote for parties even though they might disagree with some of their policies. Remainers might well have voted for the Tories or Labour in 2017 and might do so again, even though their declared policy is Leave.

2. There might be a silent majority which didn’t vote because it actually realises it can’t tell, even now, whether Leave or Remain would be best. Maybe, in fact, the effect of the last three years has been to open those people’s eyes to the complexity of reality and the difficulty of seeing the future. They now realise that the only way to find out what Leave or Remain is going to be like is to try them. They can only try one of course, but since they don’t know which will be best (or least worst) they might as well leave it to chance.

VB

[Kevin]

@freefallrob

Sorry to hear that

A lot of us have been there and done that.
The 70s wasn’t all flares and prog you know.

[charliechan]

Then not long after we had the Thatcher years FFS

[charliechan]

[quote=“Kevin, post:3951, topic:2411”]
The 70s wasn’t all hashish and patchouli oil [/quote]

More accurate

[NAM]

@murrayjohnson

they were at the bottom of a U shaped curve

[NAM]

European election latest results 2019: across the UK

Looking at this, is it fair to conclude that Scotland, London and less so Wales are clearly remain and the rest of the country…isn’t?

[octh]

Youngster!

[NAM]

I see the SNP are already making noises about a second independence referendum…

[octh]

@NAM

I see the SNP are already making noises about a second independence referendum…

Have they ever stopped?
Can’t say I blame them in the present circumstances

[pmac]

@octh

Have they ever stopped?

Nope, not for one minute.

They want another referendum to overturn the result of the first referendum so that they can ignore the result of a different referendum.

[unclepuncle]

Same old, same old.

[NAM]

Five things we have learned from UK's European elections

“Most significantly, the share of the two unambiguously pro-Brexit parties – the Brexit party and Ukip – was 34.9%, markedly lower than the aggregate total of the pro-second referendum parties (the Lib Dems, Greens, Change UK, the Scottish National party and Plaid) at 40.3%.”

[octh]

While many of us would like a second referendum to change the result of a first referendum and make the prospect of another referendum elsewhere less likely

[pmac]

I would have a vote this time around and, in the current climate, I would vote for independence.

[octh]

For Scotland, or for Shetland?

[pmac]

Scotland. They wouldn’t give Shetland the opportunity, we’d nick the precious oil

[NAM]

Am I missing something? Why would Scotland leaving UK not be as much of a headfuck as UK leaving the EU- wouldn’t there be many of the same issues? Border controls, etc…?

[pmac]

Presumably they would remain in the EU

[NAM]

@pmac

Presumably they would remain in the EU

They should put that on the side of a bus