More project fear! It’s going great! Stop talking Britain down! Etc.
Oven ready ?
Half baked
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Shock horror he’s putting the needs of EU members first.
Breton is responsible for driving through legislation to try to boost Europe’s ability to produce its own electric car batteries. Production on the continent is trailing China
The EU have an export tax on cars that are not 45% built/made in the EU, if they drop that tax China just sells batteries cheap to car manufacturers.
On the flip side they don’t want makers in the UK buying cheap Chinese batteries and exporting cars to the EU.
The UK employs well over 1 million people in the car industry and this alone should be a rock solid argument for Labour to say we will re-join the EU
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Fingers and everything else crossed that this happens. And fuck the Brextards. 
I guess Labour will try to gauge whether the voters in marginal constituencies feel the same way, or can be persuaded to, and then weigh that against doing the ‘right’ thing. I’ve not heard any indication that they’re wavering on their current policy of not re-joining (but then I’m probably not the first person they’re going to tell).
They won’t say that.
They won’t lose any remainer voters as no one else is offering to rejoin.
They don’t want to lose the votes of any leavers who are pissed off with the current Gov
Stating rejoin as a policy is politically stupid if they want to win red wall seats and the GE.
I’d be interested to know what the result of the next election would be if labour came out and called to rejoin.
The problem Starmer has with this juggling act, is he is going to piss off both sides once he is in.
I personally don’t want to vote for him due to his current brexit views,but struggling to see any other option,though saying that,it makes sense for me to vote the libs down here.
Unfortunately, I agree with this.
People criticising Starmer are missing the point - the first thing to do is get elected. What comes after comes after. And while they will be far from perfect, they will IMO be a damn site better than the current shower of cunts.
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I’ve been very frustrated by this pragmatic approach at times. Starmer has been close lipped on many subjects that seemed to me to be an open goal. Particularly early in his leadership. However as the GE looms and his figures seem strong I simply hope he gets in.
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And this is why you should never read a political thread on pfm.
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I used to have great fun calling all the wolfie smiths there “tory boys” as they would never vote for starmer even if it meant another tory govt.
Trying to explain that getting any flavour of Labour in even if it means Starmer is a million times better than tory is a lost cause on those fuckwits. I even said I’d welcome back Tony Blair if it guaranteed a Labour win and got a shit ton of abuse.
Apparently the greens aka communist party is going to romp home next year with all the ‘proper’ Labour voters and Lib dems switching to them
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Basically, this. ^
I do wonder if the left wing actually want to get elected or just prefer to rage from the sidelines.
We’re never going to get perfection, or even close it it, pragmatically we just need to go for the least worst option.
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When it comes to the wings the answer’s always ‘prefer to rage from the sidelines’. The right are as bad as the left. Iain Duncan Smith. Jeremy Corbyn. Equally effective once they got to be party leader.
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All of that. Politics is a journey rather than a destination, and we need to take a left turn as soon as possible.
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Patently they could, he just said they shouldnt. Be interesting to see if his view remains pre-eminent, am sure the Germans will have something to say on this at the Council.
Me is sad…
Oops…posted in wrong place at first …