British sub culture

What qualifies as a sub culture?

Not that it matters,but I find it interesting.

Its own music
Its own fashion
Its own drug

Guessing obvious ones are mods,punks rave scene etc

Does New Romantics come under that umbrella?
Think speed was the drug of choice so possibly does

Hippies I guess as well would qualify.

Useless musings that keep me out of trouble

What other scenes would you include?

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Prog fans

Lonely
Loathed by everyone
Bad personal hygiene (not that it matters when you live alone)
Drink cheap lager
Agoraphobic

:+1:

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Quite a good series by Stewart Lee on the evolution of counter culture.

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Northern soul
Wigan casino etc in the mid to late 70s

Goth
London Batcave, or Leeds & Manchester scenes in mid to late 80s

Madchester
Hacienda late 80s into early 90s

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Late 80s I got into Dinosaur Jr which was my entry point in the US rather than UK subculture of the slacker (not that awful media label grunge which no-one recognised). Swiftly followed by Mudhoney, Tad, early Nirvana etc, basically a lot of stuff on SST or Subpop labels.

Dress was flannel shirt over a t-shirt, old knackered jeans, doc martens or converse, greasy long hair to headbang with. Drug of choice weed and bottled beer.

Hel thinks I’ve never grown out of this look (hair excepted) and still own too many lumberjack style flannel shirts.

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Would add: art form (expression) , unique language and dance.

Hip Hop would be a fully rounded sub culture (see five elements for clarification)

Punk similarly. Rave also is deserving (in most of it’s derivatives all the way to Goa / psy trance) along with metal, goth, new romantic and Mod pre and post revival.

Trying to think what might be the most recent identifiable subculture - and feel like Grime was a big contender. Anything later?

Drill? In London at least.

The internet suggests that an old man like me is going to get into trouble pretending to know anything about the subtleties of the genre.

Same, but I’d say it qualifies given its proliferation and spin-offs.

I’d include Psychobilly :raised_back_of_hand:

London had a plethora of stuff - the original dancefloor Jazz scene with Giles Peterson, the Jazz Messengers dancers, et al and the Jungle and Drum 'n Bass scene as a prelude to Grime and Drill.

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I’m not sure many movements today look like the fully formed subcultures Hebdige wrote about. I’m a little rusty on the subject but Subcultures have typically lived appart from the mainstream, often in rejection of it before being absorbed over time (Hegemony).
With the speed of the internet, the gestation period feels too short for all the elements—style, language, venues, rituals, art, fashion, etc to glue solidly.
ā€œSelling outā€ once carried a fierce stigma, commercial gain is now, in the spaces I can see, the goal and it’s celebrated… this fucks the chemistry somewhat.

I do see strong offshoots of the mainstream, but fewer that feel sealed and self-contained. Hebdige’s Subculture: The Meaning of Style still reads true. The ecstasy-era raves were a solvent in some ways. Many walls came down then and never fully went back up. At the same time, newer movements grime and drill, hyperpop, online fandoms suggest we didn’t lose subcultures so much as remix them into looser, networked, and highly 15 minute forms.

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I know literally nothing about it but Wiki says K-pop is (or was) a subculture. Can someone with a daughter (is it only a girls thing ?) tell me if it’s developed a large enough British following to count as a British one ?

I think once something is as mainstream as K-pop it can no longer be ā€˜Sub’.

The nieces went through a K-pop stage, but I think like Swifties it’s globally homogenous. Nothing UK-specific about it.

FoL#1 is into a scene which holds festivals called Bangface. That does seem to have its own look, humour, music etc. He likes BreakCore but that appears to be just one sub division of the whole range of edm styles emerging from Drum n Bass, Jungle, HardCore etc in the late 90’s. The latest iteration seems to be called NeoRave.

I’m not interested, young or energetic enough to look into it too much but can see that there’s enough complexity in the scene to explain it’s appeal.

To an extent the sub-culture ā€˜criteria’ often features: political / religious or economic ideologies too.