Clocks on cocks (Part 1)

This is really vexing me - it’s a nice watch (apart from the gritpaper dial), and the price is probably fair for the quality - but the brand placement is fucking insanity.

Thing is, Citizen owns Campanola, Ateliers deMonaco, Arnold & Son, Angelus and Frédérique Constant (among many others) - all more-or-less high end, and all of which brands they completely fail to promote.

So why the fuck spend silly-Yen on an expensive high-end Citizen that no-one wants outside their home market, and whose value will plummet the minute the warranty card is stamped? Why not spend the money promoting the high-end brands they already own that most people barely know fucking exist?

The Japanese do my fucking head in - same nonsense spending squillions dragging Grand Seiko up to the big-boy tier against a tide of opinion that associates the word “Seiko” with the cheap’n’cheerful quartz fodder that nearly ended Swiss watch-making: all that swimming against the tide promoting a forgotten 1960 sub-brand instead of just putting the effort into getting Credor more widely-known!

Fucking madness…

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Series8. Yeah, thanks for the thought and effort in that.

And as sodders says, why put Citizen on the front. Frederique Constant’s shopping mall chic would have been a step up. But even then £6k is too much to be taken seriously.

FWLIW, the one Capt. Misanthropy posted is about £1,500 - this is the £5K effort Dom mentioned -

Not that it’s instantly obvious why one is 3x the price of the other…

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Ahh I see. I love the Brutalism of that casework and bracelet. But at that price everyone has the luxury of being a brand snob, even if its the inverse snobbery of a brand most haven’t heard of like Sinn etc. The in the know, know. And that’s a luxury in itself.

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They will sell them in Japan to the die hard butters. Force a few on stores here who do well with them, then they will be sold half price still with stickers on in 6 years time.

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If you want something in that vibe I would buy a Zenith over a Citizen every time

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Sometimes, a bit of brand snobbery makes sense - and £5K gets you a brief run on the Rolex hamster-wheel, or something actually-nice from IWC, Omega, Grand Seiko, &c, where you won’t haemorrhage cash to the same extent.

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I agree.

Humorously the reverse nearly killed Rolex off. Hans Wilsdorf at one point wanted a sell a watch at every price point from top to bottom. Just some of his failed brands; Omigra (see what he did there), Marconi, Unicorn, Wilsdorf & Davis and Stockwell & Co, Rolco, Oyster watch company and Tudor.

Nearly finished him off as people associated Rolex with the cheap sub brands with cheap non Rolex movements more than the fancy stuff.

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Did not know that! Nice one :+1:

Sexy

These seems a good page for extra nerdy research on the subject

https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/blogrolexbrands.php

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Haha, can’t help but like its strangeness.

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Rehoming horology’s ugly, 3-legged waifs and strays out of pity has cost me a lot, especially when I’ve tried to sell them…

:sob:

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I seem to like a Christopher Ward ffs.

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Mini clubman?

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Sam bought me a Bluebird chrono for my 50th - still one of my favourites.

I’m also liking the centre-minutes quartz chrono they’ve about to bring out -

Underrated brand IME.

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I used to have an orange Mini Clubman!

1275 GT from 1977.

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Just something about them that doesn’t usually appeal to me. I think it was after I read up about the company, I don’t know. It’s probably me. Mate has one of their GMT watches and it’s nice.

I’m guessing it might be Morgan :grinning:

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Nothing wrong with Christopher Ward. I have a C5 Malvern Aviator which I would never consider selling.

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