LTNs, 20mph etc. Traffic calming, or the war on motorists

…and 1.6 tons covers vehicles quite a way under full wankpanzer size as well. My (admittedly lardy) hatchback weighs 1,421kg when full of fuel and other fluids.

It’s an interesting thing though because, in the rush to look at revising VED to cover the transition between IC and EVs, everyone seems to be fixating on road pricing where kerb weight; a known quantity on every new car, gives a pretty solid gradient too. Sure, technically someone in a Mclaren Senna gets undercharged but they’re not exactly thick on the ground. For the most part, larger and more expensive vehicles weigh more. Wouldn’t need a 12 quadrillion pound government IT project either.

Only the folk in the centre of Paris got to vote and it doesn’t apply to their SUVs, only those that come in from the suburbs. How French :slight_smile:

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This could be a political winner!
Vote for laws that apply to other people but not to you :grin:

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Fuck you: Burbman

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Tory candidate for Bath and all-round dunce illustrates how much he hates LTNs with a photo in a pedestrianised area :roll_eyes:

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Not popular with some of my boomer neighbours, they’re having some sort of petition conniption :laughing:

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Given the BBC headlines today

my neighbours be radgin’ about LTNs again, and one guy specifically asked

What evidence can be presented to evidence community support vs. substantial evidence of disagreement ?

unfortunately, the answer is that the DfT’s own report is the evidence

I suspect he’s properly fewmin’ right now, and providing an actual answer to his question will make me deeply unpopular, but the barrage of “muh car! muh car!” is getting really tedious.

Is he running around in a particularly old car or a diesel? Our two cars are each 17 & neither of those need to pay LTN charges.

I don’t know how your LTNs work, but most of them here are physical obstructions (usually planters that are regularly vandalised) across junctions on rat-runs. You can approach from either side but you can’t go through.

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There is one I can think of that is camera-enforced, but that’s a straight ban on private vehicles during the school run, with a hefty fine if you don’t notice the signs.

As for this guy, while he is talking specifically about this area, he is a landlord and actually lives considerably further south than here. Perhaps he is simply personally invested in cars and freedumb.

The nearest one to here is probably in Exeter which I believe has involved physical restrictions and some road closures. But I haven’t needed to go there & use it yet.

I think it has provoked some local resistance but I’m not sure how serious it’s been.

We go to Bristol but I haven’t noticed any physical restrictions and neither car gets charged for going through the centre.

Presumably traffic in your part of London is reduced and there’s better air quality? Certainly I was impressed by the improvements in both when I was last up in London in December

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Apparently so. The University of Westminster study last year reckoned that LTNs reduce, rather than displace, traffic and there was a report a couple of weeks ago that said that roadside pollutants were falling faster in London than anywhere else in the country, although they’ve probably started from quite a high altitude :laughing:

There is vocal opposition here to LTNs, ULEZ, controlled parking zones (coming into my area soon), basically anything that threatens the car hegemony.

However I think it is a vocal minority.

Susan Hall is trying to make an anti-ULEZ stance a central pillar of her mayoral campaign, so I guess we’ll see come May 6th/7th. Certainly the local Tories tried to turn council elections into a ULEZ referendum two years ago and they got an absolute kicking.

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My neighbour (peak furious boomer) has just WhatsApped at 8am to inform me that LTNs are racist.

So that’s where we are with this discourse now :+1:

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Have you asked for an explanation as to why they are?

You can absolutely have racist town planning for sure, it’s a large part of what Jim Crow Laws did, but I’m getting an inkling this guy won’t be able to explain it.

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This is one of the reasons I’d never join a neighbourhood message group around here.

He has a little document full of unevidenced claims, and he’s printed it to PDF so that makes it true.

His initial objection to the nearest LTN was that it would slow him up driving to collect his order from Gourmet Burger Kitchen, and that’s pretty racist :angry:

Seriously, despite being tempting there’s absolutely no point in engaging with him.

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Ours is pretty innocuous. If anybody starts spouting shit, they are pretty quickly put in their place.

There have been bans (removed).

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Are you running a book on how soon they’ll be Nazi, or are we already past the Godwin point ?

Well they were labelled Stalinist a long time ago so something, something Molotov-Ribbentrop and you’re already there :+1:

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Worth half an hour’s time, amusing on the origins of LTNs, WEF fears, the ‘Great Reset’ etc

:joy: Amazing, yet not surprising. Some years ago, I was called a racist for asking someone to keep the gangway clear.

Apparently, I only asked them to do this because they are black…

Go figure …

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