What a load of bollocks
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We will setup another splinter party therefore guaranteeing that the tories are completely untouchable in the next election.
Itâs the more treating people like shit that I meant.
Itâs easy to decry the current situation.
I would like a confident intelligent set of alternatives presented that are viable, attractive with the right people in the right jobs to make it happen. Blaming and whining is a dubious pastime, it changes nothing.
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I get his point. I really do. Iâve been doing what I can to stop my colleagues and me from being treated like shit since 2017.
The TU Representative of one of the biggest Labour Party Donors wasnât fucking interested at the time I started.
In my view , itâs only now that people who identify as âMiddle Classâ are facing pressures lots of us have faced for years that theyâre waking up.
Well thatâs something I suppose.
itâs just labour once again tearing themselves apart from the inside. At a time when they should be working with the LibDems to create a viable opposition they are bleating on about starting another âmomentumâ party with Mick Lynch as leader.
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Unfortunately, i think that Labour are forever doomed to chasing their idealistic, utopian (utterly unachievable) vision of politics.
Yep, when Thatcherâs white van man understands that asperation means nothing when the economy tanks.
There are many middle earners who donât support the Tories, not sure middle class covers the nuances.
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Well said.
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Good point; I can only go on my subjective observations and thatâs why I chose to use the wording ââŚidentify as middle classâŚâ
I personally do not agree with the class system.
I see it as a means to keep the âtoffsâ on top and âlittle peopleâ at the bottom .
Ive filed it in the same bin as âunskilled labourâ and âsemi-skilled labourâ
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I was involved in some work on that house.
The day she resigned the place was mayhem, Security people and police bricking it because half the systems werenât finished, Carol Thatcher running around getting in the way.
Dennis had a lovely display cabinet of Napoleonic era military figurines I recall.
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I wonder if they can spell it? 
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Itâs interesting, the whole class vs income thing. The only people who actually benefit from Tory policies are very high earners - not even the 1%, you need to be in the 0.1% I think - and landed cunts. But there are a lot of people who are middle class and decent earners who think that they should be Tory, despite it being bad for them financially.
I sometimes wonder if these are the worst people of all.
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No, thatâs militant milk float evangelists. Worse even than vegans.
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Were you involved with just that house or the enclave?
Just that house.
I was in Manchester in a project meeting and the MD of the firm that were hosting it walked in and asked me if I had a moment. He took me to his office pointed to a phone off the hook, left his office and shut the door, leaving me in there on my own.
It was my MD on the phone.
He said âGo to Dulwich nowâ
It was quite an important meeting I was at but he just told me to leave immediately and wouldnât say why.
That was about 9.30 in the morning.
Thatcher apparantly announced to her cabinet she was resigning at 9.00, but I heard the public announcement about 11.00 on the radio driving down the M6.
All quite exciting!
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Fuck that. Labour need sidelining. Theyre the tories with red rosettes.
The more I see and read, the more I have come to realise that Labour really are a political non-entity. They just donât have a clue.
They will never win it, the public will need to deliver it to them, wrapped, with a big gift tag proclaiming âElection Victory !â.
Itâs depressing, but hereâs hoping 
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What did you think of Starmerâs ideas on freezing the energy price cap anoounced at the beginning of the week?
And your solution is what? Bit of whining from the sidelines?
I thought it was a decent idea Kev.