....more armchair politics (Part 1)

Well, in an ideal world, Enough is Enough will take off and sideline starmer’s labour. Only 30 odd percent of the electorate keep the tories in power. So there are very sizeable numbers who don’t vote at the moment - the young - for example, and who feel as though they have no political representation.
Lynch has more charisma and political authenticity in his little finger than starmer has shown in his entire career. You’ll no doubt remember how corbyn galvanised the young, labour membership rocketed, and the tories felt it necessary to steal his policies.
Unlike magic grandpa, who was weak, lacking charisma in front of a camera, and with little experience of left wing policies in the real world, Lynch has all those bases covered.
On the current trajectory, the cost of living crisis will result in a huge and desperate electorate who will become politicised by this autumn, especially if tory anti strike legislation is enacted.
This could be very big indeed.

Narrator: it was not very big indeed.

To be continued…

still won two elections.

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It’s one thing Kev, and it certainly doesn’t mean that they understand, or are maybe even relevant in today’s modern politics.

To me it looks like you make lazy sweeping generalisations like ‘labour haven’t a clue’ etc
Mind you most of the electorate do the same so your view is representative if not particulary informed.

That is partly Labours fault, if they are not getting their message across well enough to influence the voters then they will struggle, but you seem to have made your mind up even if it looks a bit like a ‘What did the Romans ever do for us’ skit :grinning:

Come on Kevin. You are smart enough to know, that Labour, are virtually invisible.

At the last election, Steve Baker turned up on my doorstep even though he was pretty certain to be elected. Labour were a no-show.

Did you have a chat with him?

I shared my views on Conservative policy, yes. :grin:

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It’s very true, abusing stop search powers and you just turn a whole generation against police.

With regards to the rise in stop search in protests, this is usually due to section 60 of PACE.

Your opinion of course, but I appreciate that is the story that is being portrayed in the majority of the press, I wonder why that is?
From most of the street TV interviews I see it is quite shocking (to me) that the majority of the electorate are totally ignorant of what is happening and don’t engage and are not politcally aware.
I am sure that if you showed a picture of Starmer and a picture of Truss to the public a large majority couldn’t name them with out further clues.
This makes it a game of three word slogans and finding something which fixes in the brains of the elctorate like ‘Get Brexit Done’ without any further thinking required of what that means.

We get the government we deserve I guess, which might be why we are where we are.

Meanwhile the Government right now is only interested in talking to 180,000 people and is ignoring the rest of the country

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COME ON!! You are being obtuse, and you know you are.
That is not just my opinion, but an awareness by many. Newspapers, interviews, tv, where are they?
No matter how good the idea sounds of having a viable second party, we don’t have it.
Should we? Yes! Right now, no.

If you look at the rise of the right in the US and in the UK there is a clear methodology.

  1. Huge funding
  2. Loud charisma
  3. Misinformation / seeds of doubt
  4. Wholesale manipulation of social media - Cambridge analytica etc
  5. Celebrity endorsement
  6. Bare faced lies on repeat, repeat, repeat.
  7. Ownership of channels of disinformation / blogs / Podcasts etc
  8. A fuck off strong message Take back control / make America great again. (Both suggesting the promise of empowerment to dis empowered people)
  9. Blame
  10. Holding headlines / access to power.

As shit as the above is and always will be, it works. It got Trump and Boris into power, unthinkable idiots who would have once (Not so long ago) been laughed back to their respective playgrounds.

What is Labour doing in the face of this tasteless recipe of success?

No funding, no message, no presence, no charisma, etc Worse still, those that do speak out are branded as ‘woke’ - in an amazing spin on reality apparently being awake is undesirable. Pointing a finger will not bring about change. Present people of all walks of life with a credible better alternative, Do research and shout loudly on Repeat repeat repeat. Get into peoples homes / heads / hearts via social media.

Hire Dominic Cummings.

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Foodbanks, 0% loans to buy food, heating poverty, what has this country become ? Still the rich get richer, so everything is all right.

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They are on Newsnight night almost every night, on Peston every week.
Though I doubt many of the electorate watch these programs
In Newspapers not so much but then apart from the Guardian and the Mirror the rest of the press has a Tory agenda so what do you expect?

So that would be no plan at all. Just sitting around thinking that Corbyn and Lynch are right and the worlds is unfair.

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Which is exactly what I mean by not suited to modern politics. You just seem to have your own blinkered views and don’t want to recognise that.