Tales from Uh-merica

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Trump’s vaccine chief, Kirk Milhoan, chair of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, has denounced mandatory vaccines, including polio — calls paralysis the price of ā€œfreedom.ā€

In a break from decades of medical science, the man now steering America’s vaccine recommendations says polio, measles — and maybe all vaccines — should be optional, even if kids die.

In a recent podcast appearance, Milhoan declared that a person’s ā€œrightā€ to refuse vaccines outweighs concerns about illness, disability, or death from infectious disease.

Milhoan admitted he’s ā€œconcernedā€ some children might end up paralyzed or dead if vaccines become optional. But then he waved it off, comparing vaccine refusal to alcohol abuse, saying ā€œFreedom of choice and bad health outcomes.ā€

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We should have freedom of choice to drink as much as we like and drive on whichever side of the road we like.
Sure there will be a few fatalities but ā€œFREEDOMā€

If it were to happen that would be a rare example of the US moving to the position which applies in the UK. Vaccines aren’t mandatory here. In an extreme case I believe the authorities here can apply to a court to override a parent’s wishes, but that’s not just true of vaccinations of course. Parents’ control of their children can be taken away for all sorts of reasons.

The situation with vaccines in the US is complex and has a long history. It seems that while federal institutions can advise on policy, what actually happens is determined at state level. Milhoan chairs the (federal) CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. You didn’t provide a source for your story. Here’s one (Reuters). It includes the following

U.S. schools require vaccination against certain illnesses, including polio and measles, based on state requirements. Most states have typically aligned those with the CDC’s broad recommendations.

Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine and co-director of the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development, said most medical experts now disregard the committee’s opinions.

ā€œIt’s a discredited committee,ā€ he said.

So although this Trump appointee (via Health Secretary Kennedy) has made his views clear they may not make much difference in the real world.

Charlie Kirk made the same argument about gun control. I don’t think I need to hammer the point home.

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France is the same - no, vaccines aren’t mandatory, but kids that haven’t been vaccinated aren’t allowed into the public school system.

I’ve not thought about it in detail, so there may be aspects I’m missing, but this seems like a fairly wise balancing act. Nobody is forcing you (or your children) to get vaccinated, but if you don’t, you’re not allowed to expose the walking health hazard to certain situations. Obviously exemptions are allowed for those who are unable to be vaccinated due to particular auto-immune conditions etc, but there has to be a compelling medical reason, and being anti-vaxx or trying to claim a religious exception doesn’t count.

I’d also argue that being unvaccinated should bar you from any location where there’s a significant gathering of people. Sure you’re free to refuse to take a vaccine, but you’re not free to inflict the well documented consequences of refusing vaccines on the general population.

I guess that’s what it boils down to. As long as enough kids are vaccinated herd immunity will suppress disease. We don’t need absolutely every single child to be jabbed (or sugar-cubed, or whatever). The cranky and/or negligent parents who don’t vaccinate their kids are the same ones who struggle to get them to school anyway. So if we lock those two things together then we increase the risk to the child that they won’t get schooled. Is that really what we want to do ? The kids will be infants so they can’t sort this out themselves. Yet we risk damaging/punishing them not their parents. Maybe it’d be better to say ā€œIf you don’t get your kids vaccinated then you can’t buy beer or have subscription TV or be allowed on TikTokā€ or some such (for the avoidance of doubt, that wasn’t a serious suggestion).

There’s a tension for sure; I don’t know off the top of my head how France handles ensuring children who are home schooled actually get a proper eduction - I suspect they do a fair bit more than how the USA operates (homeschooling is huge among a lot of Evangelicals because they don’t want their kids taught stuff like evolution, or any kind of reproductive health, etc.)

You’re correct, the kid is not responsible, and under most circumstances, I’d be very wary of any system that might unfairly punish the child for the misdeeds of the parents (although a staggering amount of that still goes on). In this case, it’s got to be weighed against the safety of all the other pupils in the school, particularly if any are at an elevated risk.

Yeah. If without the exclusion rule it would be 3 out of 90 unvaccinated then maybe that doesn’t justify making it mandatory. If it would be 30 out of 90 then it does. (Just numbers plucked from the air.)

I thought Dodge City was a small settlement, it seems to have engulfed much of North America under Sheriff Trump.

Why does the cunt look like some goon from a Tarantino movie.

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He’s too short for a Tarantino movie.

Cosplay Nazi.

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One word too many there methinks.

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*nazi

fixed

I just find it funny that the sleeves are way down over his knuckles.

I mean, I’ve got short arms but he could lose about 6" off those fuckers.

I think he’d much prefer it to be Schindler’s List.