I’m not at all sure that it has been proven that the Russians are guilty. Surely following due process or allowing the Russkies a sample of their own nerve agent would only serve to strengthen any legitimate UK claims.
If you knew anything about this you’d know that there is an awful lot more that isn’t publically discussed.
Even in media circles they will know a lot more they aren’t saying. The discretion is down to much of the knowledge being secret for many reasons including protection of sources.
At government level they will know even more. (The government can’t prove it was the Russians openly as much of the facts are still secret. Privately this is a slam dunk.
If we weren’t absolutely sure we’d not be broadcasting this in the UN.
It’s only socialist sympathisers like JC that pretend it’s otherwise.
It’s the Russians.
As always, the most obvious answer is the right one!!!
This isn’t rat poison. Only certain states have the capacity to possess this. The only argument is why they want to cause such publicity.
My guess is that the county is going broke and they need to stir up some shit to get a degree of local support.
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May should ban the football team from going to the World Cup, thus alienating the right wing racist brexit voting brain dead ENG-GER-LUND supporters and guaranteeing she loses the next election.
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Really ? Thanks for that insight.
Crap ! Only Socialist sympathisers, I ask you.
More crap !
I’m not saying it’s not the Russians, just that it’s being handled very badly.
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Russia adore destabilising the West.
This thread, and the doubt expressed on guilt, are the perfect example of the intended consequences.
Turn your enemy against itself to do your job for you.
Spot the Red!
If you want to say we haven’t proven anything it sort of suggests you think there isn’t an awful lot more to it than just accusing!?
Our government will have made it very clear what the proof is, to other governments. They have given the nerve agent to the body responsible for world wide control.
You can’t feign a strop when you make blanket statements like we haven’t made our case!
As for Corbyn, you can count on one hand how many of his party agreed with him today. He died out there.
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I have only got one thing to say to your view that the Government are right and we should trust them.
“Tony Blair and the Gulf War”
Eh?
In his instance the weapon is real and has been used
For fucks sake. The analogy isn’t even close.
As he should have.
But as Kevin (above) says, to believe wholesale anything that our government says is naive, at best.
I know.
I don’t disagree.
But on this thing…
Nah
…awaits AA infiltration by Russian chat bots…
Our allies are certainly not jumping in with both feet, If we had any international credibility NATO would be aligned behind the UK and sabre rattling.
The only prominent western politician who came out on the side of the UK and said that it was definitely Russia got sacked the next day.
I am not for one minute suggesting the Russians aren’t behind this, but they don’t give a shit what the UK think or believe, nothing will come of any of this except a token tit for tat diplomat shuffle.
We hardly have any friends in Europe as we have shafted all of them with Brexit and the USA has become isolationist.There was even talk by Trump of walking out of NATO. May is perceived as being weak and she is weak.
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That seems to be exactly what you’re saying.
This argument seems to have moved from the argument we don’t have enough proof, to May is weak.
Classic shifting the goal post.
For the record the UK have said Russia either did it or need to account for who got hold of it from them. So no direct blame.
We asked for an answer. No answer. So we can level blame for being complicit based on their own silence. Also im sure it’s irrefutable it’s a Russian nerve agent. There is no way we’d go public on that as a lie.
Here we are arguing about how weak we are in the world. You are doing their job for them irrespective of truth.
Wasn’t the question about if we knew it was them???
My argument is that just like every other nation in the world I have no confidence in the credibility of this government. I am not prepared to blindly believe everything they say, because of history and experience.
We have had Governments given wrong information by experts before and we have acted on it and been wrong.
We have a Foreign Secretary who you would assume would normally be heavily involved in an affair like this who has been gagged because he is a proven liar and can’t be trusted reading the weather.
The Government should get some back up and get their test results checked and agreed, then they might get some support. Nobody is supporting the UK in any meaningful manner, because they don’t trust our government either.
the de-stabilising is self inflicted.
None of it matters anyway because nothing at all will come of this, it is already yesterday’s news everywhere except the UK.
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we got an answer, they said show us some proof it is our stuff, give us a sample so we can check it.
They will not react to deadline imposed by us with no back up from anywhere else.
No we can’t, that is absolute nonsense. They do not have to disprove anything, we have to prove it.
You cannot assume guilt because they won’t or can’t prove it wasn’t them, silence is not an admission of guilt
That is the way the law generally works.
It’s certainly taken the focus away from the whole Brexit clusterfuck.
May is clearly hoping this hardline approach transforms her in the eyes of the public in the same way the Falklands war did for Maggie.
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I’m a lawyer. Not by vocation, but by training.
The law is like statistics. It can work how you want. The Russians argued we use drones so we assassinate. We do. We admit it. And justify it.
It’s the nuances that speak volumes.
I’ve just seen Donald Tusk support us and say it’s likely Russia did it. Right now, politically, that’s prerty much as good as you can get!!
Why are we still pretending there’s ambiguity? This substance is so rare even the Russians haven’t admitted they ever made it.
If you want to believe we are lying to the world about what it is, I’m worried.
If you want to kid yourself that if it’s what we say it is there can be any doubt, I’m still concerned.
If you can articulate one sensible argument who might have used a secret Russian nerve agent to murder people on British soil I have your attention.
Ps. When you change someone you presume an argument of guilt based on a full code test of the facts and law.
Then you have a trial. We can’t have a trial here so they stand charged. That’s how law works.
The verdict is up to you.
Trouble is, assuming we aren’t ‘in on it’ then we are simply playing straight into Putins hands.
If all they wanted was to assasinate the former spy then surely with the might and resources of the KGB they could have just broken into his home and shot or strangled him.
Doing it in this manner was much more calculated and was designed to cause a shitstorm.
Britain was probably chosen as the target because we are currently ‘persona non grata’ with all the Brexit shit going on.
We should have said nothing.
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If you really believe this doesn’t it scare you that a man like Putin can get away with it?
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