Today I am great, but yesterday 24 hours after my vaccination was a bit rough. Fatigue, fever/the sweats, headache and a lot of nausea. Not sure if it wasn’t chemo related as it was like a sudden, very sharp dose of the ‘chemo flu’ I sometimes get. Won’t stop me getting the second dose either.
10 Likes
I had a similar reaction after the Oxford jab. Wiped me out for the day
A couple of people from work had exactly the same reaction. Both had the jab on Friday morning and by the afternoon both were feeling washed out. They rang the next day with all the above. Both back at work yesterday.
1 Like
My mother-in-law was the same after the Oxford jab. Washed out flu-like. All fine within a couple of days.
You’ll all no doubt be very disappointed thrilled to hear that I am almost recovered now. Good fun while it lasted though.
8 Likes
Vaccine passports 
We’ve got stickers and they can’t even get that right.
Not a fucking chance of passports here.
This is perfectly normal. A ‘bad reaction’ is anaphylaxis, which is no fun at all. Feeling a bit shitty is an indication that your immune system works, and all is fine, it’ll pass soon enough.
Surely the 5g sim they stick in will have all the relevant info
My mate got them to inject his tesco club card along with the sim so they now just scan his arm for his points
8 Likes
So, 125K dead now according to the ONS. This is an interesting thread:
Some of the tweets beneath it are full of crack-brained lunacy, idiocy and lies though.
1 Like
125k is ‘with Covid mentioned on the death certificate’, yes ? Do we know if the doctors ever say “Primary cause of death was complications of a broken hip, following a fall, but the patient also had Covid at the time of death.”. It must be tricky to try to pick out how much of a role Covid plays in some cases, both in terms of the extent to which it made a difference between death and survival, and also how much it shortened the life of someone who might have been very close to the end. People have claimed that ‘excess deaths’ is the only metric that really isn’t clouded by some sort of over-counting or under-counting anomaly. And even there although the reference level is an average, so has reduced noise, what this year’s deaths would have been isn’t an average. So if this year would have been an unusually good year (say the flu was going to be really well-controlled, even if we hadn’t had Covid) then ‘excess deaths’ would under-count the Covid mortality.
VB
Lol, some of those comments are priceless. Lots on there with the old Sweden nonsense. Right cheers me up.
Don’t know. I think it is a vastly less arbitrary measure than the Govt’s ‘died within 28 days of a positive CV test’ which is open to all of the questions/doubts/concerns above and ‘why 28 days?’. Fundametally we are all dying from conception (but at different rates of progress to the terminal condition) so no measure will be flawless.
Vastly ?
They’re both pretty arbitrary. The wording on my mum’s death certificate said she died of digestive tract rupture. Which was true. But it ruptured because of the high-strength steroids she’d been on to try to manage the terminal metastatic cancer she had. She really died because she had cancer. My mother in law’s death was ascribed to pneumonia. But really she had had Alzheimer’s for nearly 15 years which meant she was immobile, unable to swallow reliably and living in a care home where it was hard to avoid chest infections. They were all factors in her getting the pneumonia. But the root cause - what killed her - was very advanced Alzheimer’s.
‘Mentioning’ stuff is what doctors do. Reading stuff, with a view to trying to find the real causes in every single case is what neither statisticians nor anyone else has time to do in a crisis. So we have a basket of stats, none of which tells the whole truth.
VB
Eh? If we knew the truth we wouldn’t need statistics. What you want is something that allows you to make reliable inference on the population parameter of interest. Anyway, mortality statistics is not my area of expertise, so I’ll quite happily sit this one out…
.
VB
4 Likes
Beat me to it. I was going to say we will have one happy scientist in our ranks😁
Taken together, excess deaths over the X year average, deaths within 28 days of a positive test, and deaths with covid recorded in death certificate, give an idea of the scale of deaths resulting from covid despite fairly extensive restrictions having been in place for much of the time. Each has caveats and limitations, but they’re all on the same order of magnitude. This is the closest to the true number that we need to get IMO. Quibbling over the caveats with each measure is a distraction.
1 Like
Death certs tend to state the actual thing that caused death at top and then the supporting cast of contributory factors.
Pneumonia is the thing that kills millionss but the reason they were in a position for pneumonia to deliver the coup de grâce will be listed below.
In the 80s when Aids was terminal most death certificates had pneumonia as the cause of death.
My father’s death cert has Covid-19 listed as the primary cause of death.
Underneath that are the pre-existing conditions
4 Likes
Indeed. I wonder if some of the issues @Valvebloke mentioned aren’t usually ascribed to sampling error in any case. The excess deaths statistics may also be inflated by folk who did not die of CV-19 (even if their deaths were as a result of CV-19) e.g. heart attack that was treatable but the victim did not attend A&E. No sample based measure can be perfect but the law of large numbers should help.
It’s interesting that it’s exactly a year late for these international quarantine arrangements.
I can’t see why we didn’t do this sooner. Who actually needed to travel? Very few, I think.
2 Likes