Jim being wrong about cars

Is it?. Dunno cos I didn’t say that…

Is it still “quitting” if the car is locked, secure?

I just imagined it.

Fake news brother. :rofl:

No you didn’t imagine it, you just completely re-wrote it - eating toast v toasty warm car…wtf.

Yes. The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986

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No, then.

U wot mate? Try reading the link.

I did, it’s obviously open to interpretation…

Which part precisely is? Be specific, since you appear to want to argue semantics.

It says you can leave the engine on, providing the handbrake is applied, to “drive machinery forming part of, or mounted on, the vehicle and used for purposes other than driving the vehicle”

Ie. the demisting blowers…

It doesn’t say that, unless you’re choosing to read it selectively and ignoring the bits inconvenient to your argument.

(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no person shall leave, or cause or permit to be left, on a road a motor vehicle which is not attended by a person licensed to drive it unless the engine is stopped AND any parking brake with which the vehicle is required to be equipped is effectively set.

is what it actually says.

And 2b qualifies the exceptions in 2bi and 2bii with in such a position and condition as not to be likely to endanger any person or property

So the additional exceptions in 2bi and 2bii only apply if the first part of 2b is satisfied. Good luck convincing a police that 2b is satisfied if parked on a public road or in a public place (e.g. car park)

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Oh, and there’s fuck all about whether it’s locked or not, which was your original attempt at an argument.

@bmtell can pack them in one of his removal boxes

Never liked the practice of idling cars to defrost them. Warm engine / cold drive chain OCD doesn’t rest easy with me.
Plus it is very antisocial.

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open the windows a bit and put music on full blast, drowns out the idling engine.

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@Jim needs the activated charcoal version.

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How does that work? Drive chain is part of the engine so it would warm up as the same rate as any other part, except maybe the exhaust/manifold and parts near it, which would warm slightly quicker.

Unless you’re referring to motorcycles?

The plus side of a 400m walk to the car is that it can be put into defrost mode at home, and be ready when you get to it. Remote access is quite handy.