Jim's amp quest - the blind leading the blind

Or a Crown XTI. They are more money, but you get the same X/O capability (for the future), and they can do PEQ too.

The only PEQ I have on my system is a 10dB cut at 30Hz (huge room mode), that is handled by Najda but could be done by a XTI just as well.
The rest is a god intended!

Most rooms have room modes at some low frequency.
There are online calculators that can tell you that frequencies they are at if you feed in room dimensions.
Pretty accurate in my case.

Most ‘smaller’ hifi speakers, or vinyl spinners don’t go deep enough to find them😂

Lana Del Ray’s - Dark but just a game, has a huge bump at 30Hz. Sets my room off nicely.
So too her A&W (explicit :slightly_smiling_face:).
I bet the vinyl versions are completely tame! The needle would jump out otherwise.

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I think @Jim has the T-amp running the horn bass atm which are running about 80 Hz to 400 Hz ish, I think below 80Hz is the SVS SB16 active sub

Are you suggesting the Crown XLS for when he gets some proper passive subs like your tapped horns?

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Yes mostly, but I’ve been mightily impressed with my Crown XLS on mid bass duty too - 90-300 for them.
It kills the T-amps and ditto with the Chord amp I mentioned earlier, also and a nice 25w tube amp I had.
Big horn system bass / mid bass with big drivers doesn’t need touchy feely little hi-fi amps.
It’s about scale, dynamics and control.
Gotta keep up with the compression drivers.

I have the same tapped horns and 12" mid-bass horns (square rather than round) as Steve has. I have a single xli1500 srereo amp on each stereo channel. Class A/B and no peq facility but that is handled by Najda. They can be stereo/mono/bridged and put out really good power, although they also have a good damping factor which I think, ultimately, is the important bit when on bass duties. Tapped horns to 90Hz and mid bass 90 to 350Hz ish.
They work very well as far as I can tell although I haven’t tried any other amps in these positions.
With speakers as efficient as these they will be operating at 1 watt or less I should imagine which poses another problem when using amps to be worked hard producing a lot of wattage in a pro-audio application. They will have been designed to have minimal distortion at their intended use range. What are their distortion figures like at fractions of a watt in a domestic environment with high sensitivity speakers? I assume the designers and engineers never even considered that situation. As it stands, they sound pretty good to me.

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I’m generally wary approaching unprovenanced DIY builds, but this one looks excellent, and the F5 is one of the quietest and lowest gain of Pass’s power amp designs, and could suit the system very well. It’s also fairly priced if an offer of £500 lands it (and I’d not pay more):

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The 60W monoliths that came to me yesterday are worth a go for the bass.

They do sound like they were born out of a very similar engineering philosophy to Nelson Pass’s :ok_hand:

Do it @Jim

Then if you don’t like them, I can try them :ok_hand:

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They did sound quite promising.

As I mentioned up thread Paul, I already have a chunky class D amp - the ES Labs Tripath.
It’s being returned this Sunday after three years on loan to a friend.
I will try that first, but as it doesn’t have a volume control, I’m not sure it will be a good match with the little 3w 6b4g SET.
Guy’s little SET sounds sublime with the Gotos, but to get it all balanced with the sub, the volume on the Aiyima T-amp driving the GPA cabs has to be set really low - it’s barely on.

Now Preda, Art Audio Diavolo 300b with Border Patrol psu driving the Gotos and ES Labs DXs4 (with Alps27 pot) driving the GPA cabs.

Best sq yet - getting there! :sunglasses:

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So Jim, are these all loaners or are you just buying ALL the Hi-Fi? :grinning:

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:joy: I’m sure it seems like that. Yes, I’ve had a couple of amps loaned, but bought everything on the shelf above.
Also bought and sold three other power amps this year too.
I think I’ll keep the above set up for a while now though.
Might buy a new pair of 300b tubes for the Diavolo, as the existing items are of indeterminate age/hours.

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A real end game system Jim, very different sound compared to your Wilson / Roland stuff @ Scalford.

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Only had the Wilson/Rowland stuff at Scalford for the first two years - 2010 and 2011. Seems like an eternity since then :thinking:

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I was in Straya then. You had horns the first time I went to Scalford.

Sigh…happi daze…

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Indeed they were mate :ok_hand:

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Replacement tubes arrived and fitted!

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And…?

Still trying to scrape my jaw up off the floor :smiley:

Not sure how old the previous (Chinese) tubes were, but chalk and cheese.

More of everything - tighter, sweeter, better focus and detail…and the bass. Had to turn the sub down! :joy:

You name it…and they still need to burn in!

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Sounds like a result Jim :+1:

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