Let's loot the vape shop

You could always put up posters encouraging them to add flags to railway gantries above Didcot station. That should remove a few of them from the gene pool.

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Somehow I don’t think of them as contributors to the gene pool. I imagine one of the reasons they’re so hate-filled is that no woman’s likely to come anywhere near them.

Sadly Network Rail has gone to a deal of trouble to make the station gantries inaccessible. Encouraging them to clamber over the parapets on Mr Brunel’s bridges, some of which come very close to the new sparky wires, might work though.

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Think you’re onto something here. Perhaps an additional drone armed with indelible dye and a touch of distilled piss? The Stinkopter could mark the man by sight and smell, clearly identifying him as someone in possession of ‘stinking thinking’.

A third drone, with a megaphone, could follow them around, reading out their criminal record or psychological profile and helpfully debunking a few things about nationalism and immigration.

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Love the English National dress,

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Lopwell prize material right there! :rofl:

Complete with Italian scooter. Why not an Ariel threewheeler, or a Sunbeam, sunshine. Lightweight cosplay.

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If ever a mini-roundabout required strafing…

A Royal Alloy surely ?

Velocette Vogue would be even more heritager. Maybe he is delivering for the Chinese establishment to the right in the picture.

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I doff my cap to you Sir. I was not aware of the Velocette Vogue.

Or even Velocette Viceroy. My Dad was a 30s KTT road racer and kept an eye open.

I have no words

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Given that the police are meant to be arresting what we might call “bad’uns” I wonder what the percentage of people arrested for anything is that turn out to be wife-beaters ? Are Tommy’s Thugs ten times more violent towards women and girls than your average detainee, or two times, or about the same really ?

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Honestly, it doesn’t matter. What bothers me is that this recent data suggests that many of the self righteous morons protesting so vocally outside hotels, these self professed defenders of local women, are probably going home and beating up their partners and spouses. It’s mad.

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Statistically it would be hard to measure as a lot of these people haven’t actually been nicked for racially aggravated offences. Although I’m sure a fair few would have, it wouldn’t be possible to find out exactly how many are just members of organisations.

Although anecdotally at these protests the Tommy ten names types by rule usually are drunk on route to the protests or have cans of booze with them, or look like they have done coke or both.
The anti protestors as a general rule are not usually under the influence of anything.

I do remember a chatting with a colleague saying how everyone of the protesters on the Tommy ten names side looked like a domestic violence suspect. That’s from nicking, must be over 200+ people for domestic violence now.
If you want to know what 95% of those people were like then listen to Bob Vylans - He’s a man. It describes them perfectly.

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I’m sure you’re right that it doesn’t matter to you.

I just wonder about it, that’s all. It’s a weird ‘wanting to understand things’ fixation that I have.

What Tommy would probably say is “There are bastards in every crowd. Why are you concentrating on the 20% of them and ignoring the 80% who are dads and husbands worried about their daughters and wives ?”. It’d be nice to be able to say "There are 2% in every other crowd Tommy. But there are 20% in yours. Wife beaters clearly take one look at you and say ‘He’s our man’ ". Without the evidence I can’t say that though.

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Someone out there has probably studied this, but it can be hard to tunnel down to the data you’re looking for in an unfamiliar field.

Being lazy, I tried googling using a variety of search terms.

e.g. “Is there a correlation between being racist and committing partner abuse?

No matter how I couched it, Google’s usual search engine wants to deliver results examining how experiencing racism can increase the likelihood that its victims commit offences of partner violence. As usual, Google ignores nuance to spaff out results that are likely promoted in some way, or simply easy to find.

Google’s AI does what most such AI currently does, and delivers the answer it thinks you want, couched in a suspiciously imperative way:

Yes, psychological and sociological research shows a strong correlation between holding racist attitudes and committing intimate partner abuse. Both behaviors stem from the same root causes: a belief in inequality, the desire for power and control, and rigid gender roles.

It quotes a reference to support this seemingly-plausible statement, but that reference is yet another source that insists spousal abuse is the fault of ‘the oppressor’ and (implicitly) not the fault of any partner-abuser who has experienced racism… A WHOLE other can-of-worms, and not remotely relevant to the question.

How you couch the question delivers somewhat different results from Google’s search engine,

e.g. “Are racists also wife-beaters?

…actually starts to deliver quite a lot of discussion about the garment, and a mix of left and right wing gibberish discussing either the oppression the garment represents, or racist rhetoric asserting the wife-beating habits of various minorities or minority public figures…

Google’s AI response though extracts a very similar conclusion from these different results to the first one:

" Racism and domestic abuse are distinct behaviors, so one does not automatically guarantee the other. However, psychologists and sociologists have found a strong correlation between the two.
Individuals who hold extreme prejudice often exhibit overlapping psychological traits that make them more prone to domestic violence. Key shared traits include:

  • Authoritarian Personality: A worldview based on strict hierarchies, dominance, and rigid gender roles. When these expectations are challenged, it can lead to aggression.
  • Sense of Entitlement: The belief that certain groups (or men, in the case of misogyny) are superior and entitled to control others.
  • Low Empathy: A diminished capacity to understand or care about the emotional well-being of those they view as “less than.”
  • External Blaming: The tendency to scapegoat others for personal failures or societal issues, whether that means blaming a marginalized race or a domestic partner for relationship problems."

All we can actually extract from this is that @hermit and Google’s AI bot have reached similar opinions by similar reasoning…

We can, however, safely conclude that racists and wife beaters are cunts, and probably usually the same cunts :ok_hand: :wink:

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Claude AI is the one you want to use for any meaningful answers, I don’t trust google AI or most of the others.

This is a well-studied question in social psychology and criminology. The research does suggest meaningful connections, though the relationship is complex.

What the research shows:

Racism and domestic abuse (also called intimate partner violence, or IPV) share several underlying psychological and social factors:

1. Authoritarian attitudes and power/control orientation
Both racism and domestic abuse are strongly linked to a desire for dominance and control over others. People who hold racist views tend to score higher on measures of authoritarianism, social dominance orientation, and belief in rigid hierarchies — the same traits associated with abusive relationship dynamics.

2. Hostile sexism and intersecting prejudices
Research consistently finds that hostile sexism, racism, and other forms of prejudice tend to cluster together in individuals. Someone who dehumanizes people based on race is more likely to also hold dehumanizing views toward women or intimate partners. These aren’t isolated attitudes — they reflect a broader worldview.

3. Ideological overlap
Studies of extremist groups (e.g., white nationalist movements) have found that domestic violence rates among members are significantly elevated. The FBI and law enforcement researchers have noted this overlap, partly because both behaviors stem from ideologies that justify domination over others.

4. Shared risk factors
Both behaviors are associated with common underlying factors, including exposure to childhood abuse, substance abuse, low empathy, and certain personality disorders (particularly narcissistic and antisocial traits).

Important nuances:

  • Correlation ≠ causation. Holding racist views doesn’t cause someone to be abusive, and abusers are not necessarily racist. The link is probabilistic and mediated by shared underlying factors.
  • Domestic abuse cuts across demographics. IPV occurs across all racial, political, and socioeconomic groups. No single ideology or attitude fully predicts it.
  • Directionality is debated. Both behaviors may be symptoms of the same root psychology rather than one causing the other.

The bottom line: Yes, there is a statistically meaningful correlation, grounded in the shared psychology of dominance, dehumanization, and authoritarian thinking. Researchers like David Dutton and others studying the psychology of abusers have highlighted how these attitudes tend to co-occur as part of a broader pattern of coercive, domination-oriented thinking — rather than being coincidental.

I think I’ll take that as a compliment. :grinning_face: My “reasoning” was primitive. I suspect that the general demographic of the Southport rioters was broadly similar to that of the racists protesting outside of migrant hotels up and down the country. Not really a stretch I don’t think. I think the Google AI probably considered many more sources before offering you its conclusions.

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