Indeed. The strap line for the local scheme is that the idea is to improve air quality, and to improve amenity for all.
Your assumption that roads are the sole domain of cars embodies the problem.
What am I supposed to do? Stroll to the shops across the meadows? Where’s my amenity?
Not quite sure where else I can do the 1000 miles a week I often average in my car?
Get thee down the hill to Dulwich park riding school
I think the answer is “roads that are not in cities or major urban areas”.
Nobody. Literally nobody is proposing an LTN on those 1000 miles of presumably mostly motorway.
I am talking about a few minor concessions to pedestrians in an exceedingly congested area where pedestrians are a majority.
But no. I can fuck off. You get everything. I get nothing. Got you.
This image is completely out of date. Needs silouhettes for rioters pushing flaming bins and neds speeding through pedestrian precincts on de-restricted e-scooters.
Sydenham needs more horses, Dulwich needs less horsey people.
I’m so glad I live in the shires where I daily stroll over the fields to the shop / pub. Feed my horse and help with the sheep and cattle if needed
I couldn’t imagine living in the smoke but if you’re happy there and enjoy the feuds then fine.
What pisses me off is a number of cunts who move up here because house prices are so much lower and then try to change our ways to suit themselves.
One has applied to have parking on the Maypole Green opposite our house (yes it has a Maypole on it and people dance on it every now and again) but they bought a house with 1 car parking space so not enough for their 3 expensive cars.
No.
They filled it in after they caught the last witch 
No, I still live with her.
She rings the bells every Sunday as she tries to keep undercover.
The problem here is kind of the opposite end of the house price horseshoe. People can’t afford to buy so what was a family home becomes a rental with stand-offish yuppies who don’t care about the local environment and wouldn’t know community if it bit them in the arse.
The community here is incredible. You cannot walk down the street without stopping for a chat.
Bit of a sad example but last month we went to a funeral. About 500 people at the wake.
We knew nearly all of them.
No, I’m telling you where we live 
Have you tried Tai chi? There’s some lovely defensive assumptions there. As stated - You occupy the high-ground. There is no question air quality trumps drivers convenience. I simply hadn’t realized London pavements had got so busy since I moved away. It’s perfectly reasonable for pedestrians to have the freedom to walk down the middle of a road to pop to the shops. Pavements after all are for pussies.
Thing is, I’ve not called you pathetic or your sensibilities twaddle. Nor have I told you to fuck off - I can however say in line with the title of this thread: “Traffic calming or the war on motorists” Allows for varied opinion - We both have a selfish take on the situation. I concede ultimately you are right but when a 3 hr drive turns into a 5 hr drive consistently due to ‘calming measures’ I’m quite unlikely to ever like it, gloat about it or champion it
(The best I can manage is to accept it).
Straw man. Pedestrianisation or comingling of traffic and pedestrians are (mostly) not being proposed. There are measures being put outside two primary schools to prohibit private cars directly outside during school drop-off and pick-up, but I don’t believe that this is what you’re suggesting.
FWIW there are comingling areas on Exhibition Road and in Sloane Square (different borough) and they’re extraordinarily ill-conceived. Frustrating for drivers and lethal for pedestrians. Nobody knows who should go, and if either party gets it wrong then the pedestrian is dead.
You started out with your spirit of freedom being oppressed and the joy of motoring, then pivoted to the efficiency of you going about your business.
The latter I can appreciate - there are plenty of people who need to drive.
The former I still maintain is twaddle and little more than parroting auto manufacturer’s marketing. There are also plenty of people who will not consider alternative means of transport, and will give no mind as to whether their journey is actually necessary. This leads to the grotesquely polluted and congested landscape that we now have. These measures are meant to discourage such people.
Their refusal to concede a single inch to others, in an area whether they are actually a minority, does indeed constitute a “fuck off”.
It’s 8:12am. Yawn.
Also in London… Nice. 
