LTNs, 20mph etc. Traffic calming, or the war on motorists

I was bought a bicycle for my 11th birthday so I could get myself to secondary school. Still riding to work 40+ years later (but not on the same bike).

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Same here but 5 years younger.

I’ve left this to stew a bit, but yes, in part. I think there’s a whole slew of irrational thought out there - public transport and active travel are unsafe, “dirty” (I hear that one a lot), something not quite nice that the poors do.

I get that cars are frequently more convenient but in this particular instance you’d need your head looking at to drive voluntarily in the school run traffic here - it’s atrocious. And yet they still do it.

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Exactly this; I agree wholeheartedly- I sit behind these in unnecessary traffic jams every fucking morning and afternoon it seems!

On balance- I drive around the less salubrious suburbs and there are quite a lot of muggings and stabbings unfortunately… I can understand people choosing another way to travel. :cry:

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Just laziness I’m afraid.

All school runs are shit, for everyone, in every town and city up and down the country. It doesn’t matter what car is driven at all. When EVs are a thing , people will still moan about the school run.

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Interesting experience the other day, heading through a village called Shirburn. This is in Oxfordshire, so @HughJanus not withstanding you would expect a large number of residents to be best accompanied by a pineapple ring and peas.

Oxfordshire has of course put lots of 20mph limits in, but not there. And surprisingly there were a lot of posters asking why they hadn’t got their 20mph limit.

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I used to live in Shirburn.
The place is a racetrack. The run from Oxfordshire villages and towns towards the M40, is focused on this one road. It’s busy, and nobody drives at 30 (the current limit).
Their claim to 20mph is misguided as there is NO community, and precious little “foot” traffic to justify it. The traffic is continuous but there is very little impact on the resident’s lives. Apart from FOMO.
Where I am, there is a community (it’s part of the reason for us being here), but no footpaths and a ‘blind’ bend in the middle of the village. The 20mph limit is justified.

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The other day someone described the 20 MPH zones as cash mugging funnels.

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Sadiq Khan and Safety? Too many double standards for me to take this seriously, I’m afraid.

20mph zones save lives and don’t slow traffic … In London

The last time I drove in London (OK, central London) I was lucky to average 10mph on weekdays. So the mayor might well be right.

But in rural Oxfordshire, where almost all small communities have now been ‘twentied’, the new limit really does both slow the traffic (dear Lord, that is literally the whole point of it) and delay it too. I have to laugh every time I drive through Ipsden. This is one (the busier one, I think) of the two east-west roads.

It is ruler straight. The 20 zone is less than a couple of hundred metres long. The rest of the road is NSL. Yup, the law limits you to 60 ! Fear for your life limits you to a lot less than that. On the left are the church, the village well and four houses. Four. Two are large and expensive and set back from the road. The other two are a pair of farmworkers’ semi-detached cottages.

There really hasn’t been much (any ?) thinking about this limit. They just did it because … well … because.

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I’m half wondering whether someone in one of the expensive houses is on a committee or similar and wanted the slowdown outside their house.

In quite a few French villages you could tell roughly where the Mayor lived because you’d come across arbitrary 30kph speed limits when the rest of the village was 50kph throughout!

I’m inclined to agree with you on this one.

I’m all in favour of measures that discourage congestion and pollution, but 20mph in London is pretty irrelevant.

Either cars crawl around at 8mph or on the odd occasion that there’s open road they do 40 in a 20 zone then jam on the anchors as they go through the patch that’s covered by a gatso.

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They’d live in one of the posh houses. Actually I think the one nearer the road might still be a farm (then again it’s half-timbered and the aerial view shows it has a swimming pool, so maybe not). I did once meet a very large tractor coming the other way though, so I’m guessing they’re used to vehicle noise. And the sort of person who’d race through here isn’t the sort who’d be deterred by road signs. They’re hardly likely to get nicked, after all.

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I wonder why councils don’t do this ? ….Oh, y£ah

Councils around here do the smiley/frowny speed sign quite a bit. A mate of mine is a parish councillor and I recall him saying that the DoT has rules about where they can and can’t be put but when his council managed to get one set up at one end of their village they learned that the thing had a calibration adjustment knob in it (I really can’t understand why). So the council could, to a degree, have it set to be more or less intimidating.

I helped with the original calibration of our village signs. My speedometer and Speed Limiter was checked by a Gatso, then I had to maintain 30 mph while knobs were twiddled…one on the display, several parameters in the software. This was all done several times late on a Sunday night.

We have since had a second one fitted at the other end of the village, but I was not needed due to their faith in the software.

Real time 20 shows as 21.

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