....more armchair politics (Part 2)

Going back to the forthcoming Tory leadership election,
Whatever the result, if it polarises the party we could be in for some fun.
The 1922 committee chairman (Brady no longer an MP) would need to receive letters from 15% of sitting MPs to force a leadership election.
That means that the leader has only got to seriously piss off 19 MPs to lose their job!
Or at least be forced to re-apply for it.

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Then again I wasn’t the one stamping around calling people NIMBYs and demanding simplistic insta-solutions. Not acknowledging issues are complex and nuanced doesn’t work - that’s the evidence speaking: we’ve already had 14 years of clumsy crowbar policies, they made the problem worse. Everywhere. Not just here.

Obviously anywhere you don’t live must by definition be a shithole, but people do come anyway, because there’s work they personally can do - problem is it doesn’t pay as well as Concrete Cow Utopia, so the dynamics of home ownership are different.

Do I have absolute blind faith in the infalliblity of the party I backed? Duh! Obviously - it’s exactly like football: red until I die, oi oi oi!

By-the-bye, do you think there’s a workable alternative to perpetual growth (of population, of consumption, of economic output, &c.)? You should perhaps consider politics as a career, you’re highly articulate, unshakeably certain of the rightness of your opinions, and beguiled by sweeping generalisations, the first alone outskills about 80% of the current crop. Pick a colour and climb onboard the gravy train :ok_hand:

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Nope, that genie has bolted the nest or whatevs.

There are pretty clearly defined arguments that the move to a low/no carbon economy are required and they are required sooner rather than later; it is a consensus among minds far brighter than mine. To have such an economy, it must first be constructed- it cannot be legislated into existence. Doing so will mean some pleasing old things will be impinged on or even dismantled. Views will have new things in, the value of some assets will change to reflect this. Absolutely hand in glove with this is that a group of people will be left unhappy at the process. So be it. Wishing, tinkering around at the peripheries and random bits of legislation won’t achieve the postulated solution; only building it will and I’ll welcome any attempt at actually making that easier to do.

As to housing, we’ve built a smaller number of smaller houses since 1980 in particular than anywhere else in Europe. If you genuinely believe this has no correlation to where we are now, then so be it. I’m relieved that the new powers that be seem to be in disagreement with you. I’m entirely comfortable with being wrong about things and I’ve no desire to go anywhere near politics; not least because the renumeration relative to the shit shovelling required is pretty poor. I’m not wrong about this one though. More residential space is needed- simply pissing about with leaseholds won’t solve it. Even in the heroically unlikely event that capacity overshot demand, it would simply allow for the poorest existing housing stock to be demolished and something else put in their place.

Yeh, not disagreeing, but seems like that’s going to have an interesting end-game - albeit far enough into the future that they’ll be quarrying our bones for desperately-needed phosphates before anyone faces up to it…


Now listen here you (just imagine the chest-bruising finger-jabbing), I have it on the unimpeachable authority of a very angry housewife in Holbeach that just showing-up with a clipboard asking lame questions is a sure way to board the gravy express to a Cayman bank account.

And Quit trying to confuse me with factual and reasonable non-sequiturs. Fuck am I supposed argue with that :angry:

Reform of the Lords. Who TF is Charlotte Owen?

I read a while back that Gordon Brown has drawn up a huge and highly technical plan to sort it out :laughing:

Just catching up with shit and really annoyed with Labour and the LD round here, they should have worked together and agreed to push one candidate.

If they’d done that where Reform took a massive chunk out of her majority the split vote between Lab and LD would have ousted that 'orrible cunt Braverman

Cunts

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PS she’s now in a great position to be the next tory leader, she’s already talking like she thinks she is

Fucking hate the cunt.

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It is in the Tories best interest for Sunak to stay on and for them to take their time selecting a new leader.
If they do it quickly they will look at the votes lost to Reform and lurch to the right.
General Elections are won from the centre.
The current Labour Party are centre-right in a lot of peoples books
The Tories need to recapture that ground if they want to re-elected.

Having said all that both Europe and the USA are moving toward the populist right so maybe they think that is the future.

I really hope not

You’d have needed a large fraction of either Lab or LD to get behind the other candidate, which would be asking a lot.

It’s a bit scary that half as many people as voted for Braverman chose Reform instead, presumably because they think she’s not nasty enough :scream: (or, more plausibly perhaps, that if she stays inside the Tory party, even as leader, she won’t be able to drag the rest of the party with her).

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I know there a number of people frustrated that Starmer isn’t left wing enough for them. I share frustrations over his belligerence on the SM and CU but my overwhelming impression this Saturday morning as we finally exhale, is there are adults back in the room.

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Farage is popular with the people and the media (who are busy making the unacceptable acceptable.) The conservatives and their considerable backers are heading right…Fingers crossed the infighting lasts more than 4 years.

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Just not enough to actually win an election from the last two attempts.

And as much as I don’t particularly like much of what they have said, vague competence would be a step up on the past 9 years.

She generally gets around 35-40k votes or a vast majority, so had a 50% reduction. It wouldn’t have been that difficult as people should/could get behind the goal of unseating her rather than fighting what is absolutely guaranteed to be a losing fight individually.

I voted Lab in the hope that others here would choose the same :frowning:

Lab and LD were campaigning hard round whereas tory did absolutely fuck all.

It’s hard to describe how right wing it is round here, even Reform are too left wing here. Very little poverty, lots of middle aged high earners and retired so it’s very much a “fuck you I’m alright jack” attitude. That and a very corrupt bunch of councillors.

I think we may be pleasantly surprised, given a bit of time. Coming straight out with ditching Rwanda is a good start as are the appointments of the new prisons minister, science minister and attorney general.

They’ve had to be so careful not to hand Murdoch, The Mail and Telegraph any weapons with which to beat them. The message discipline has been extraordinary.

But now they’re in position to change things, they’ll know as well as any of us what’s needed as well as what’s feasible.

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For whatever reason, John McDonnell has been hawking himself around various media outlets the last couple of days and my overriding thought every time I’ve listened to him is mate you were never, ever going to form a government in this country.

I was quite impressed by the curmudgeoness of The Sun, The Telegraph and The Times (especially) with their last second (or not at all) endorsements of Starmer which suggests to me there hasn’t been an awful lot of cosying up. I wonder if there will be a big old reboot of Leveson as an early policy headline grabber. He’s certainly got the majority and the mandate.

When he can generate these two spittle flecked treatise from either end of the bellend spectrum inside of 16 hours, you do get a pleasing sense of equilibrium;


That twat needs to be banished to PFM where he can circle wank with the rest of the moronic marxist twats about how “Jeremy would have been much better”

I voted for Corbyn,but I’m glad he didn’t get in.
He would have got crucified over the Brexit deal,whereas Johnson and frost got a free pass.
He would of got crucified over Covid,whereas Johnson got a “he did his best” pass.

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