....more armchair politics (Part 2)

Labour MPs saying that the election results show that they need to get back to Labour values. (Shift left)

The Country has lurched to the right you stupid cunts.

‘Labour values’ = unelectable.

The only way Labour ever get elected is when they win the centre.

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Trouble is, they seem to be going after the Reform vote at the moment.

I get the impression (possibly my own bubble here) that they’d make huge strides if they stopped sucking Israel’s dick while they commit genocide.

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It’d be helpful if a more left leaning group with an articulate spokesperson could emerge. A group from amongst Labour’s 400 mps who aren’t tainted by funding from Israel. So that’d rule out most of the Mandelson / McSweeney / Labour Together clique in the current cabinet.

I keep hearing & reading sense from Clive Lewis. There must be others like him.

As if ANY of them would ever vote for Labour :man_facepalming:

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It would be even more helpful if the mainstream media would also just stop fucking lying ALL of the time.

Immigration is a case in point - Reform continue to succeed on a one-issue platform, despite the fact Labour is having considerable success stemming the flow, e.g:

Now I’d much rather they just dropped all this bandwagon-jumping bullshit and instead effectively communicated the fact that it’s actually a non-issue, that numbers are so small as to be irrelevant, and instead diverted funding and attention into improving quality-of-life in the deprived areas that have lurched so far Right politically, but yeah, GLWT…

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Labour have never been good at publicising what they are doing well.

They’re more interested in publicly bitching at each other and tearing themselves apart.

Bring back Alastair Campbell :slight_smile:

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It does seem unfathomable, given the level of focus on this issue, that this isn’t even really being mentioned. If you hadn’t linked this article, I would’ve had no idea. I’m both puzzled and frustrated by the mainstream media, and their seemingly deliberate manufacturing of a supposed national story. But I’m also perplexed that there’s no sign of the government even vaguely pushing this at all. Do they seriously have no influence over what goes out? Or are they just completely inept at even realising they need to blow their own trumpet? I looked at the BBC after these local elections, and without digging into the actual facts of the situation, the overwhelming impression I got at a glance was: Reform are slaying it. Why the fuck is that even being presented, when it’s far from true and a gross simplification? It feels like there’s a decision been made to shove Farage’s bullshit into the foreground, and undermine everything else. I think I need to go back to my total media abstinence, it’s just too infuriating.

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This is a big issue. I get that on one level, with most of the newspapers being very anti anything centrist or left of centre, it can be tricky, but if you look at Mamdani in New York (debatably an even more hostile environment) it’s clear that you can break through those barriers and get the message across to folks.

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Thank you, AI slop :heart:

The power of rage bait + lower taxes means it’s not really in the media’s interest to be transparent.

The level of inequality in the UK and elsewhere needs a scapegoat. The media need viewers (hello rage bait) and they also need to protect their interests. Hand in glove really.

The truth is most people aren’t struggling because of migrants in small boats. They’re struggling because wealth has been allowed to accumulate disproportionately whilst public infrastructure, wages and social cohesion have steadily been bummed.

The moment wealth taxes get mentioned, out comes the usual “brain drain”, “we’re all leaving”, “the country will go broke” rhetoric. Arguments that somehow always seem to get amplified by billionaire-owned media.

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Farage won’t be happy with the immigration figures going down.

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Small boat crossings were up 13% from 2024 to 2025.
Those are the only immigration figures they want in the headlines

Classic divide and conquer with sleight of hand distraction- ‘it’s not us who have hoarded all the wealth and taken it off you, look over there it’s those pesky foreigners…’

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If the country is fucked and working harder doesn’t un-fuck it, and supposing Keir doesn’t have a money tree the only way forward is tax.
Strange how unpatriotic billionaires suddenly become whenever that gets mentioned.

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Farage has got £5million going spare.

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He’s probably get half that back in column inches if he donated it to the NHS but he’s not about to help there when he’s banking on its failure

Pfft, that £5m is for Fuhrage’s security and to stop random unwashed throwing milkshakes in his general direction.

My milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard

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Playing devil’s advocate (“know your enemy”) the sad thing is that those figures are true. They are not the whole story of course.

The whole story is dynamic and multi-factorial and often hard to interpret. Different people care more or less about different parts of it.

There’s what seems to be a reasonable summary of Labour’s performance against its pledges here (yeah, I know, TL;DR. Which is very much Nige’s view). I’m not sure even about that summary though. It claims Labour made a pledge about “Reducing small boat arrivals by cracking down on smuggling networks”. But as far as I can see that isn’t what Labour promised in their manifesto. They said (p17 here) “Chaos in the channel has been matched by chaos at home … Labour will stop the chaos and go after the criminal gangs who trade in driving this crisis.” They didn’t pledge in writing to reduce small boat arrivals. I don’t know what “Labour will stop the chaos” means. A process which transports north of 40,000 people a year across a very busy waterway sounds to me like it’s rather organised.

I know hun