New computer .. why, what now ? What is this thread about now?

The glass is too flat nowadays as well.

I need new sash windows soon, I know it’s going to be a massive compromise.

Fit bifolds instead :love_you_gesture:

Years ago (many) I had to design and spec sliding sash windows to have them custom made for a grade one listed building. ‘Proper’ sliding sash windows are incredibly complicated. I doubt you will find anyone that could do it now. If you do, they will be £MEGA

The glass in the ones I’m referring to had to be specially made - cast, not float - and the bullseyes had to be taken out of the originals and re-used in the new ones. Those original bullseyes had names and dates engraved in the corners.

We got some uvpc ones from a company in Yorkshire for a couple of flats we were doing up
Very good

Bloke installed some UPVC ones next door, council told him to remove them, cost him a fucking fortune

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Does the loss of this level of craftsmanship worry anybody else like it worries me ?

So sad.

Bloke I work with got 4 made about 12 years ago
2 of the spring tensioners failed straight away and two of the sills are rotten

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Nien. Keine Chance. Bifold Windows sind eine Ladung Scheiße.

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It’s gone.

Machinery and the drive for cheap has seen it off. The guy that built those sashes, over 30 years ago, was in his sixties then. He made them by hand using moulding planes and the like. Even then, the cost was astronomical. The job was for the NCB Opencast Executive though, so money was no object. Just as well!

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Still sad though.

Of course it is.

It’s a bit like @Wayward and tailoring, dying arts I’m afraid.

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Que?

These people seem to know what they’re doing* I’m sure it won’t be cheap though, given that their target market is that London.

*I have no experience with them

Yeah, a lot of trad trades are dead. Reading Dom’s posts in the watch thread made me realise not all of them. But mine is gone really, like a lot of others. I stand on the shoulders of giants and truthfully, I’m not quite as good as them. The guy that taught me when I started in Savile Row was 9 years old when he first started training and although I worked in my dad’s workshop from about 12, my training was informal. These days people go to college and start at 23 and that is too late and they think they know it all anyway. Not only that, the market has changed. No one wears tailoring anymore and because you can’t get what I do with one click, people don’t get it. The old ways are being eaten on all sides. I follow a few young guys in my trade on Instagram and frankly what they produce is embarrassing. There is no one to teach them and the customers only see designer fashion, they are producing chips without understanding potatoes. I expect this goes for lots of traditional trades.

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I now has even more sad :frowning:

Mediocre is the new exceptional.

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These are the folk that made our windows. All wooden sash and case and two bespoke round ones. :upside_down_face:

https://www.allanbrothers.co.uk/

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Yes, that is it. It takes a lifetime to be good at lots of these things and if the customer only looks at a price and only sees a window/suit/roof or whatever and it isn’t order-able/complainable with a couple of clicks…

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Yes, they look similar to the link I posted. Both make nice looking passable replicas, sadly not the real deal, although probably as good as you’re going to get these days.

Don’t knock the garage down, @Jim needs some more of that :+1:

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I had mine completely rebuilt from scratch. Yes it was £MEGA.

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