Brexit - Creating a Cuntocracy - Now with 4d chess option

Probably. It is the kind of stupid gesture that will appeal to the gammon. Then there will the years of poisoned negotiations with the EU, and no doubt years of hassle with the WTO as objections to the UK filter through the various courts of arbitration.

The alternative is to set all tarriffs to zero, in which case there is no concern with the WTO, but then there is no incentive for any country to negotiate a free trade deal since they cannot be much better off (zero tarriffs etc) without hurting themselves by reducing their own tariffs and quotas. The decimation of what is left of UK industry, the instant failure of most of the agricultural sector and the decline of the services sector following zero tarriffs would be a such minor inconvenience that we in the UK should not worry about it.

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Hardly news though. Everyone already knows that’s the case.

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I think it would be a lot worse than just losing 10% :nerd_face::wink:

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I just watched an hour of the BBC news channel. Their Brexit coverage mainly focused on the impartiality or otherwise of Bercow. To describe the discussion as hostile and prejudiced would be an understatement.

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When the other 90% are doing the clubbing to death at the behest of the Imperator, it is a moot point.

Sammy Wilson of the DUP has clearly been on the toot over lunchtime (ignore the timestamp, the tweet is about 35 minutes old). Have a read of the statement attached to this tweet:

‘EU chaos’ :exploding_head:. Change the bongwater Samuel, it is clearly too much for you.

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I wasn’t calling you dishonest. I stated that attempting to paint it as the responsibility if the EU and Ireland is dishonest. Which it is, because the problem is entirely of the UK’s making, however you twist it doesn’t change that the situation is solely of the UK’s making.

That’s the nature of analogies, but sometimes they are useful, my analogy explains my position pretty well (hint: it’s about putting other parties in untenable positions) I don’t feel the need to get bogged down in minutiae as it’s not really that useful.

As has been said elsewhere, the idea that Eire has more inherent attachment to the Uk rather than the rest of Europe is a complete misunderstanding, albeit one that you can see why a Dupper may come to.

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If it’s a choice between breaking international law and re-lighting the fires of terrorism I know which I’d vote for. Let’s face it, the practical consequence of no hard border on the UK side in Ireland isn’t exactly going to be the immediate creation of unbearable distortions in world trade, is it ?

As far as the PSNI go, I don’t think they’ll be the real problem. If the Republican terrorists have memory, and I suspect they do, they’ll remember that violence on the mainland was very much more effective than blowing lumps out of loyalists/police/soldiers in NI.

VB

It’s almost as if no one foresaw the consequences of this stupidity.

Rock or hard place - take your pick. Or was brexit supposed to be consequence-free sunny uplands?

There is an easy way out.

I would vote for neither, myself.

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We’re just going to have to disagree about that. I think that the situation is actually quite complex and that almost everyone who’s been involved has contributed something to that complexity. To say that the resulting conflict is entirely one party’s fault is, if you want an analogy, to say that the entire First World War was Gavril Princip’s fault or, perhaps more closely (since Princip broke the law and the UK hasn’t) was the Archduke Franz Ferdinand’s fault for not staying safely in his palace that morning.

VB

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Err
 no brexit = no problem; brexit = clusterfuck. Remind me again who chose clusterfuck?

I did. But I live in a democracy and I lost.

VB

You lost too.

VB

For values of democracy, that include lies, disinformation, cheating, etc.

Democracy is about making informed decisions based and free and fair votes. Neither of which are beyond question in this case.

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Ain’t life a bitch.

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So roll over and accept it then. Well done.

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Let me know when the revolution will start (not before Thursday if you don’t mind - we normally hit Sainsbury’s on Wednesdays and it would be a complete arse if the inevitable imposition of martial law were to empty the shelves before then).

VB

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Lol