Sorry, I’ve gotta go. I’ve excused myself sitting here typing while I listen to records soak test someone’s pre-amp for way too long already …
VB
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Well I think it is, really.
You could say that the EU should have had a protocol for leaving that was a bit more sophisticated than Article 50, but that would just have meant spending a million quid on lawyers when nobody thought of leaving. That would have been a waste.
So the UK invoked Article 50, but there had been little to no discussion of what we wanted out of the change. We had no clue, really. Hence the EU took control of the negotiations (and drafting), and after a long process, we got the WA. The EU also got this approved by all EU nations.
It’s the UK that is bleating about it being unacceptable, while still being incapable of expressing what it actually wants, either in the transition period or as a future relationship. And this is an agreement that was actually approved by the UK government!
It’s easy to say “the EU needs to move on (x)”, but we can’t actually state a position to which it should move at all, let alone one that is compliant with standard protocols and the GFA.
And I don’t deny that the EU has produced a WA that is probably more in its favour, but the UK gov was there at the table, and agreed the positions. It’s not like the EU just drew it out of a hat, and held a gun to our head.
So the whole mess was instigated by the UK, and I can’t see any element of the conflict that can’t be said as being basically the UK’s fault. It’s an enormous failure of our Government and political process.
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FTFY
Bollocks. Any country can leave any time. Brexitards just don’t want there to be any consequences.
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Reminds me of a song…
Didn’t know there was one called ‘brexiters are complete fuckwits’. Who wrote it?
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Nanna Sexy would have said:
“OK, which prick started this mess”
Swiftly followed by:
“Two wrongs don’t make a right y’ Ejit”.
Quite possibly she would have also trotted out “You made your bed now lie in it y’little fek”
Or
“Every time you point your shitty little finger there are three pointing back at you.”
The one I always found disturbing was:
“You’ve gone and thrown the baby out with the bath water, God b-damned.”
Passing Brexit through this curious filter it could be suggested the UK is squarely responsible for the mess that it’s in.
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I wouldn’t though. I agree that Article 50 is probably about as good a job as could be done in the circumstances.
The fuck-up was with the GFA, which committed both parties to keeping the border open without allowing for the EU’s or the WTO’s rules, since ‘neither party would ever leave, so those rules would never come crashing down on us both’. Would they. Well they have. My point is that the UK did not draft the GFA on its own. The Irish were an equal partner in the agreement and will be sufficiently badly damaged (not as badly as us, but still badly enough) that it behoves them to play a part in finding a solution. What I object to is the assertion that this problem, and any fault, and all of the actions needed to solve it are 100% the UK’s. We are at fault. And we will have to act to find a solution. But we are not the only ones who are, and will.
EDIT: By the way I am still at work. I’ve just popped in to check a document on the PC.
VB
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But the EU came up with a solution (the WA) that was compliant with the GFA! It’s us that are causing all the problems, not wanting to be bound by treaties and laws that we have previously agreed.
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Heard a variation of that a lot as a nipper
The Gardaí an Litrithe will be around to work Nanna Sexy over for her abusive treatment of the word feck.
Gobshite!
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The EU’s solution* fell into the class of solutions which can be described as ‘unacceptable to the British parliament’.
The UK also came up with some solutions e.g. ‘If you really mean what you say about wanting the backstop to be temporary then write the temporary nature of it into law. As very recently proposed by Poland.’ Or ‘Put the border checks between the RoI and the rest of the EU, not between the RoI and the UK’. Those fell into the class of solutions which can be described as ‘unacceptable to Ireland in particular and the EU in general’ (and speaking personally I’m not surprised).
The only solution which will work is one which is acceptable to both parties. I didn’t vote for Rees Mogg or for Corbyn or for Soubry or for any of the others who rejected the WA. But enough people did that they were in the majority and it was rejected. Hugely.
VB
*Incidentally I note that all the things you like you describe as being created by the EU, as if the UK didn’t also work on this for two years and the UK government didn’t then bend over backwards to try and get it through the HoC. On the other hand all the things you don’t like (e.g. the conflict between the GFA and Brexit) are purely and simply and 100% the responsibility of the UK and not another soul anywhere else has had any influence whatsoever over them. It makes you look not entirely unbiased 
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Teresa May has decided to impose a Whip for the Brady amendment tomorrow. She seems to think she needs to demonstrate something to the EU…
Madness.
EDIT: I pushed the wrong button, that was meant to be a reply to the thread and not VB.
Two super-massive cuntards for the price of one!
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Shouldn’t the caption really read ‘not a single job we give a shit about will be lost in No Deal brexit’?
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The government has never had enough good information, to make any kind of decent arrangement with the EU, and they certainly never gave the public any good solid information, to make a decision on whether to stay in or out.
After two years the government still hasn’t put together a solid white paper on the issue, hence all the problems.
The UK created this problem, and we have to solve. We haven’t, and here we are.
A class of 10 year olds, could have come up with a better solution, in a week. Says a lot about our current politicans.
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Which jobs should we give a shit about, mein initialled freund?
Shouldn’t she respect the first vote?
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