The no pay until after delivery will likely kill eBay off.
Because it really means using their own tracked posting services.
And
Half the buyers will say they didn’t receive it.
It means you can’t use standard post to deliver anything.
It also means your money stays in their holding account making interest for them longer while your item is delivered.
I’ll stop selling anything over £100 but I’ll likely stop using it at all.
There is an opening for a new online auction platform for sure.
TWATS
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I read somewhere -That even if items is not delivered funds get automatically transferred after 14 days . As I understand it there are no sellers fees for private sellers and payouts are immediate until Feb 7th
I don’t think that has changed anything much.
You always needed proof of delivery with a tracking number, proof of of posting never meant anything to eBay, so you were always going to lose a dispute if you had no proof of delivery, that meant no one used standard post unless the items were very cheap and you could afford to write them off.
Before eBay and PayPal split money wasn’t released straight away. that only came along with eBay consolidated payments.
There is always a cost to everything, sellers have had effectively 10% selling fees removed, they are going to get charged something for the service somehow, keeping the money for a few days may be a way of getting income back,
Good luck finding anywhere cheaper to sell your goods,
Apart from FB Marketplace, Gumtree, Shpock, Preloved, ebid, Vinted…
All smaller, all arguably riskier, but all cheaper…
What is cheaper than free to sell?
We are back in the days of QXL and Yahoo auctions, if Ebay costs 10 quid but you get 20 quid more through actually having people on the site then you are better off overall.
But not as much better off as if eBay only took £2.50 rather than £10.
From scams in disguise to a real scam.
Ebay offfer an authenticity guarantee for people buying and selling expensive watches.
The auction is listed and the watch sells.
The seller sends the watch to ebay,
Ebay authenticate it and send it to the buyer.
Gives the buyer piece of mind that he is getting the real thing and protects the seller from dubious refund claims.
Except when it doesn’t work
There is a comment on TZ-UK forum where a buyer had doubts about a watch he bought and sent it to Rolex UK to look at. Rolex gave a written report saying the watch was counterfeit.
Ebay are refusing to accept Rolex UK’s determination, insisting the watch passed their scrutiny and are refusing to refund the buyer.
I think it is now headed to the courts
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As it should be. Can’t see eBay winning that one.
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Is that a scam? It sounds like a difference of opinion. Albeit one where eBay are likely to lose.
And this comes hot on the heels of watches that have (allegedly…) disappeared going-to, at, and returning-from thiefBay’s poke-it-with-a-stick… er… I mean ‘authentication service’.
It was always going to be shit, and lo! It is!
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Good.
Humanity has had ‘trading’ for several thousand years. Over that time we’ve developed an authoritative legal system for dealing with disputes. It’s not cheap or quick but it is, at least in the first world, generally fair. eBay’s apparent belief that it has the right to adjudicate on its own terms (fair or not) is unbelievably arrogant. If it’s not prepared to do as fair a job as the courts then it should expect to end up before them. It needs slapping into line, where everyone else is, or should be.
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Well I suppose the scam was the seller selling a counterfeit watch in the first place,.
Ebay passing it off as OK is more an illustration of incompetence rather than a scam.
Except if Ebay are not fulfilling their part of the deal and not providing a service they are getting paid for (by business sellers) then they are also scamming their customers.
I think you and I have got very different perception of what a scam is.
It sounds like a question of competence, unless there’s some evidence eBay knowingly authenticated a fake watch(es).
If eBay passed it then there is every chance the seller also thought it was genuine and so no actual scam as such.
Obviously buyer should get refunded all the same.
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If eBay are proclaiming to be guaranteeing authenticity then they need the governance in place to ensure the team are qualified. Rather than admit their mistake, challenging the opinion of the watchmaker brings the whole operation into disrepute and damages their credibility.
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Maybe the fake watches are so good that Rolex have started passing them as their own and the genuine article is now seen as fake?
I bet it’s probably Rolex being pedants. I suspect it’s probably been serviced once in its life by a non approved watch maker, and they’ve used a single part that isn’t genuine, and Rolex are therefore saying the whole watch is no longer a genuine Rolex.
I’ve bought watches off eBay with zero issue that have gone through the process, so I’m not so quick to assume they’re in the wrong. Whereas Rolex are a bunch of manipulative, market distorting bastards that’ll do anything to force people to buy through their own used network.
That kind of attitude would absolutely lead them to declare a watch non genuine for something as daft as an aftermarket crystal, or caseback
I suspect they just don’t want it anywhere in their approved used network and are doing whatever they can to guarantee it
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The so-called ‘superfakes’ in circulation are so good - inside and out - that only relatively small numbers of experts can discriminate them. As you’d imagine Rolex works hard (if silently) on detecting and destroying them.
I’ve little doubt that they can unknowingly change hands multiple times before they’re detected.
It’s one of the things that puts me off the brand, but it’s very much not just Rolex that’s getting this attention now.
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I would love to see inside the fake. In fairness to Rolex when I had sent them items with non original parts they would name them. They only call items fake if they have the logo on, like the dial, case bracelet etc.
They definitely don’t call watches fake if they just have a fake dial on or some non original parts in.
I feel this is a fake with a close fake movement. Wonder what level eBay’s service is it. Does anyone know if they open watches? As obviously that’s a huge kettle of fish when it comes to resealing, guaranteeing water resistance etc.
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