Shazbat!
My workmate is at the airport waiting to fly homeā¦ Doubt he is going anywhere tonight.
WTF - Iād be a bit more worried than about your mates transport tbf?
That was a bit flippant, I didnāt realise the severity of the situation. I thought it was just one or two cars on fire. It was him that sent me the tweet saying just my luck.
Looks as if its spread to the whole upper deck now. Hope everyone is ok.
https://x.com/grahamt85/status/1711846898741506499?s=20
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Fair play, bit of a scare with all other shit going on.
Hope your mate is OK.
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Heās fine, thanks. They evacuated them from the plane and out the airport. I think he is trying to get back to Hatfield now and get a room for the night.
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Fuck, it gets worse 
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Unfortunately the fire spread and Luton has been completely destroyed causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage.
BBC news this morning saying it may have been a milk float that self immolated
The colour of the flames suggests that a number of milk floats went up - would also explain why the fire service couldnāt do much
Latest live news thingy says that a diesel car went up. Probably took milk floats with it, but that was the ignition source.
Keep ICE away from buildings if you want to be safe, obviouslyā¦
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There was a bad one down this way recently (St Austell) where a family were charging their Vivaro camper van on the driveway overnight from a professionally installed charging outlet by the front door. They lost the van and the house and were lucky to get out alive. There should surely be some minimum distance/length of cable between vehicle and building.
They donāt do a Vivaro camper EV yet, so it was probably a EV van with a custom conversion. Who knows what was done to itā¦
Sorry, camper was my word. It appears to just be an electric Vivaro van.
It may have been started by a Land Rover Evoque, a diesel hybrid. But any EVs caught up in this will have made it significantly worse to deal with.
That looks like it is being driven, from the position of the car and the active rear lights, not sure I would wish to have been the driver if it light up like that
One of the electric-cars-are-a-govenment-plot conspirobunk claims made is that the pollution estimates for ICE vehicles are lies, because the claimed weight of the CO2 produced is higher than the weight of the fuel being burned.
This is a good demonstration of how our trust in intuition greatly exceeds our trust in facts, never mind our willingness to use our educations. My first āthoughtā was, āYeah, seems oddā¦ Butā¦?ā
Of course, burning stuff is a chemical process, in this case oxidising short-chain hydrocarbons. You bump-off the lightest element, Hydrogen from each Carbon atom in the chain, and latch-on one that weighs approximately 16 times more - Oxygen.
Itās obviously more complicated than that, because itās not just CO2 produced - you get water as well - which we ignore as itās not a pollutant. Also, molecules like alkanes have some C with three H atoms. Nitrogen gets involved in some reactions, as do various minor elements like sulphur, aaand fuel includes a bunch of other molecules - not all of which are hydrocarbonsā¦ But, as a generalisation, it serves to illustrate why the counterintuitive outcome is true.
That is reinforced further when you consider that fuel doesnāt just jump out of the ground into your car: you have to explore for it, build exploration rigs, build production wells, build ships and pipelines to transport the bulk oil and gas, build refineries, build more ships and lorries to transport the refined product, build establishments to retail the fuel, and you have to provide every part of that with enormous amounts of power to make it all happen. You also have lots of losses due to leaks, spills, evaporation and degassing (notably of Methane), all adding to the climatic burden.
So thereās a hidden CO2 output before you even turn on your engine. I couldnāt find a straightforward quantification of that aspect, but Iād intuit itās a notable percentage of the total CO2 output from running ICE-powered vehiclesā¦ 
Well they did decide to save money and not fit a fixed firefighting system which would have prevented the spread of the fire. Any fire in that car park was always going to be an utter mare. Didnāt stop them charging top dollar for parking there though.
Figures of about 10% of the output from burning spring to mind, although I would need to dig for citations on that.
Getting an accurate figure that encompasses all the usually-overlooked factors would be quite a laborious and time-consuming exercise.